Excellent write up Tyler. I can see why you were chosen to review the product.

 

Based on that sneak peak review sounds like quad has some more tricks up their sleeve. Congrats on being a guinea pig.

 

Yes, there is a lot that can change and be upgraded. The quad has the capability, it's just unleashing its potential



50 miles on it this morning. My happy spot for level 1 is 75%. 70% it was just too lethargic. At 75 I get a tiny puff of smoke and boost ramps up to 40+ as rpms increase. I have a very hard time breaking 1,000* exhaust temps on this setting. Running as hard as it'll go from 0-75 exhaust temps were 985, and boost 42. All with just a baby puff of smoke when starting in 2nd. I did have it to the floor from the get-go too. No rolling into it. I'd get a video if I didn't have to steer, shift, and record.


One thing I'm not happy with is level 2 (the new level 1) It seems to be defueled from what it used to be. It's acting just like level 1 for some reason.


I'm still working on the can-bus tuning. I've got it to where low end smoke is very low. Just a slight haze and a puff. The puff comes out when the boost climbs above the 17psi threshold.


The only thing I'm not satisfied with here yet is the jump once it's above 17psi. When I have it to the floor it's not an issue; Barely noticeable except the puff of smoke. The problem comes when I hold the throttle constant. Ex: When I hold it at 25% throttle the boost will steadily climb from 0 to 17 then jumps straight to 36 and the power comes in hard. I don't like the way it does that at constant throttle. I'm not sure if this is something I can tune out, or of the tuner can work on it.

More to come....

 

Looks like I got a quad just in time! Haven't gotten to use it yet since the monitor is broken but the iquad module is on the way. Mine is 4k so I'm sure it'll be a little bit temperamental but this looks like a lot of fun

 

I'm not sure if they're going to implement these changes with the 4K or not.... It's meant to be a street box, but you might get lucky! I've got a 4K box too... they fuel hard!


More updates.....

The 17psi fuel bump has been fixed! Between the person writing the code and my settings on the quad it now smoothly transitions into harder fueling. When at WOT, it still gives a slight puff, but I'm not worried about that. Overall I'm very happy right now. The person writing the code might have some updates for me that could make things even better. I'm hoping to get some videos of stock tuning, old quad tuning, and the new stuff. I think you guys will be shocked at how clean 300hp sac injectors can be!

 

Lvl0 OEM fueling curve

lvl3 which some rough tuning done to lower fueling at low rpms

The V2, what us beta testers are calling it haha, tuning makes a big differences.


I wouldn't say the truck feels any slower, this is likely due to being able to use more APPS input and not having to feather it to keep smoke down.

 

That second video looks real clean compared to the first.

 

This first one is 100% stock. These big injectors and stock tuning just don't work well together before boost comes on, hence why the changes are all based off of boost :thumbsup:

 

This might actually get me to buy the quad, because I've always thought if the quad (excuse me for this) "did what the edge comp does" in terms of low boost fuel "tune-ability", because like TFaoro I have DAP 7X0.13 sacs but with a 69mm sxe. And Its fine smoke wise but with this edge I feel like it could be more aggressive, and it sounds like the quad might win me over with this new updated tuning.

 

I've always told you to try quad!


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I'm glad to see that someone still loves vp trucks and wants to do cool stuff like this. I'm impressed with quadzilla. Always kinda have been lol


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It's hot unlocked I feel like it doesn't fuel hard down low but it's pretty good up top

 

Not really sure what you are skeptical about?

Idle state fueling is not adjusted only APPS inputted fueling is adjusted. so depending on how the anti stall works it may still work as normal, Tylers truck didn't seem to have issues with this. You can do a sudo anti stall be simply setting 0 psi to a slightly higher % than 1 psi.

If you set it for %50 then you will get %50 if you set it for %75 you will get %75, so it is not a half power mode, rather a power reduction scale, based upon user input. This is no different than tuning a truck with EFI live, if you tune badly your truck will run badly. for the lvl 3 canbus fueling you would not set the 0psi % to 50. Even with Tyler's 300 hp injectors we had it set to %75 I think. Tuning your anti stall to work well might require a higher % at 0 psi vs 1 psi, I dunno. Point is you can tune that with this new tuning.

Keep in mind that this is all controlled via the custom tunes so you can have a trailer tune and a dd tune and a smoke free tune and a low grunt tune, switching just requires clicking the new tune so it is on the fly.



Like Tyler I am testing this also.

My impressions with it is that my usable throttle range is more like stock now when driving around town. I am not relying on a given apps point to limit fueling / smoke. Before the truck was mostly driven between 0 and 25 % APPS input. Now I am using 0 - 50 to get around.

The truck isn't slower however, but you need to get used to using more throttle than before since you are able to go past the TPS points without worry of smoking out the guy behind you. This means you feel like the truck is laggier, but doing side by side data logging I can see that the truck is faster if the main requirement is not smoking out the guy behind you. I will have to export my data logs with the time passing to show this. Where as before you hit %40 throttle and you had almost %100 worth of fuel you now need to be using %60-70 throttle to get the same fueling.

With this said I am able to drive the truck much more preppy without smoke compared to before. I no longer have to leave a stop light by going to %15, hold for a second then %25, then %30, I can just put my foot to %30 or %50 and it goes without the smoke, if I keep holding at %50 boost will build and before I know it I am moving pretty dang good. I would say that my truck significantly cleaner up at this altitude compared to what it used to be like at sea level.

Wiretap scaling is a nice feature so I can ensure that I am not hitting the pump TPS min without boost, before I would sometimes be climbing a hill at just under the wiretap point, then I would hit the wiretap point and the truck would start rolling coal because there was too much load for the revs and fueling. Or I would be trying to merge and hit the wiretap min and I was smoking out everyone on the sidewalk.

I need to spend more time tuning in the 4-8 psi range, but I think it is a nice improvement in terms of being used around town with some peppy driving, no more watching my passenger mirror watching for smoke. The power is still there when I want it.


Here is my old DD tune snapping to %50 ish and %35 ish OEM fueling no canbus no wiretap

and here is leaving a stop light with the v2 at a %0 to %45 throttle snap had to let off about half way through the intersection due to someone turning Canbus and wiretap

 

Not really sure what you are skeptical about?

Idle state fueling is not adjusted only APPS inputted fueling is adjusted. so depending on how the anti stall works it may still work as normal, Tylers truck didn't seem to have issues with this. You can do a sudo anti stall be simply setting 0 psi to a slightly higher % than 1 psi.

If you set it for %50 then you will get %50 if you set it for %75 you will get %75, so it is not a half power mode, rather a power reduction scale, based upon user input. This is no different than tuning a truck with EFI live, if you tune badly your truck will run badly. for the lvl 3 canbus fueling you would not set the 0psi % to 50. Even with Tyler's 300 hp injectors we had it set to %75 I think. Tuning your anti stall to work well might require a higher % at 0 psi vs 1 psi, I dunno. Point is you can tune that with this new tuning.

Keep in mind that this is all controlled via the custom tunes so you can have a trailer tune and a dd tune and a smoke free tune and a low grunt tune, switching just requires clicking the new tune so it is on the fly.



Like Tyler I am testing this also.

My impressions with it is that my usable throttle range is more like stock now when driving around town. I am not relying on a given apps point to limit fueling / smoke. Before the truck was mostly driven between 0 and 25 % APPS input. Now I am using 0 - 50 to get around.

The truck isn't slower however, but you need to get used to using more throttle than before since you are able to go past the TPS points without worry of smoking out the guy behind you. This means you feel like the truck is laggier, but doing side by side data logging I can see that the truck is faster if the main requirement is not smoking out the guy behind you. I will have to export my data logs with the time passing to show this. Where as before you hit %40 throttle and you had almost %100 worth of fuel you now need to be using %60-70 throttle to get the same fueling.

With this said I am able to drive the truck much more preppy without smoke compared to before. I no longer have to leave a stop light by going to %15, hold for a second then %25, then %30, I can just put my foot to %30 or %50 and it goes without the smoke, if I keep holding at %50 boost will build and before I know it I am moving pretty dang good. I would say that my truck significantly cleaner up at this altitude compared to what it used to be like at sea level.

Wiretap scaling is a nice feature so I can ensure that I am not hitting the pump TPS min without boost, before I would sometimes be climbing a hill at just under the wiretap point, then I would hit the wiretap point and the truck would start rolling coal because there was too much load for the revs and fueling. Or I would be trying to merge and hit the wiretap min and I was smoking out everyone on the sidewalk.

I need to spend more time tuning in the 4-8 psi range, but I think it is a nice improvement in terms of being used around town with some peppy driving, no more watching my passenger mirror watching for smoke. The power is still there when I want it.


Here is my old DD tune snapping to %50 ish and %35 ish OEM fueling no canbus no wiretap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx681iLXSvw

and here is leaving a stop light with the v2 at a %0 to %45 throttle snap had to let off about half way through the intersection due to someone turning Canbus and wiretap
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaRuYWAPgcg

Man that's a good difference in the videos. It's nice to see you can get the smoke down and not smoking people out just trying to drive around town


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how would it react to big stick big single trucks? i feel like if it detunes it enough for no smoke, it wont be able to spool the turbo too well. i dont consider my truck to have huge sticks, or even a 'big' turbo, but its still a chore to drive on the street cleanly. 1/2 power smarty makes it a blast to drive, hardly any smoke even if i try, and still more power than the truck was stock. but my main complaint is no on the fly full power. if the quad has this ability, i will probably switch to them.

i see tyler is running huge sticks with twins, and me is running 7x.009 and a 351. dont wanna come off as a douche, but it shouldnt be too hard to make those setups drive pretty clean. whereas im runnin a 64.5mm single with 7x.011's, takes a bit too spool it up, i lose boost during shifts, and if i lay into it slowly, say 25% throttle until 20psi or so, its 99% smoke free even while accelerating WOT. but i cannot accelerate quickly from a stop without making a mess, just gotta take it a little slow.

im pretty excited for this. if quad would just make a knob, or a switch to go from no smoke to kill, id be in, in a heartbeat

 

Ever tried making 300hp sticks clean? Set to stock, I can blow more smoke than someone with 100hp sticks and a box set to kill. It's not easy to make it how I want it.

Now that said, these trucks will never be 100% clean. They just don't have the ability to do it. But if we can reduce the smoke by 90% and make it way easier to drive on the street I'm down.

The best part about the tuning is it's all based on what YOU want. You can try a setting.... if you have no smoke but the turbo won't light, turn it up a bit and try again. It really is super simple, and it's all based on how you set it. In short, yes you can get your larger single to spool no problem with this tuning, it's just a matter of how you decide to set it up.

 

If you can drive the truck on 1/2 power mode with the smarty and it moves then you could tune the quad just fine. You caN make the first 5-10 psi 70% - 75% power(pretty close to smarties half power) then start moving the scaling up to gain power. I think you would be surpised about how quickly and how clean the power can be ramped up once boost builds.

I don't see a need for a knob as you have power buttons that do exactly that. Or just select a different custom tune from the menu to go from smoke free DD to low end grunt, it happens on the fly.

As for easy to make clean remember Tyler and I are both at 7000' altitude. If Tyler's truck can run clean up here off idle then anyone's truck can be clean. Even my truck is a smokey mess if you have fueling turned up without this tuning and drive like a jerk.

We have to make an additional 3-4psi off idle before we have the same o2 as you guys have down near sea level at idle.

 

I'm super excited for this!! I'm tired of smoking people put on the highway trying to pass people, I'm to the point where I don't even pass anymore cause I feel like a . in town it's fine cause I never hit lockup. When are they releasing this?

 

Here's some questions for ya.

1. Does this require a new box?
2. Does this require using the stupid iquad, or will the pulse monitors be supported?
would much rather use my PV1, especially since I use it for gauges, and it is mounted to my pillar with the pulse pillar mount... would be a huge change in the truck to get rid of that, and that's not happening. I know a lot of people still have pulse monitors and pillar mounts for them both bought from quad, so to undermine the original supporters of the adrenaline and not allow the pulse monitors to work with this fancy new tuning would not be good.

It can't be that hard to release a driver and flash update for the pulse monitors to support it...

 

More testing and tuning


Happy to report another day of improvements for my tuning

I got a chance to do a 0% throttle snap to %60 and above from a stop up and hill merging onto an interstate.

Might be a bit hard to see, but I went from 0% directly to %62 and held at ~%70 throttle ( yellow line)....... which is fine and dandy, BUT BUT BUT.... not one ounce of black smoke. And I don't mean once the turbo was lit.........I mean from a standstill to high TPS not one ounce of black smoke.

For a comparison, I went from this
(Obviously not rolling into the throttle)

To clean, nothing more than a very faint haze, and I only say that because I seen something.

I should have gotten a video, but I was not expecting to be able to do the run. Egt's are the same so I am assuming that power is about the same. My butt dyno can't tell the difference. There might be a second more lag or so, but I am really not worried about it.

I am sure at sea level you would not have a lag issue, but that is the nature of the beast.



1. No box change is needed
2. You need the Iquad at this point. In my mind there is no point in supporting hardware that was designed for systems from over a decade ago, but I dunno what Quad has in mind. I don't even know if it is possible. haha last time I tried to flash a pv1 I bricked it.....

And the section in red is vastly harder than you might think. The pulse hardware is getting nearly 12 years old at this point....Show me anyone that supports that? That would be like going into a bank and telling them that their website should support windows xp even though it was never designed for the secure protocols in place today.

 

the pulse screens are nothing more than old commander screens, which were made in late 2004. I know because I used to have a commander screen, which I compared to the pv1 board and they were the same. I took that commander and flashed the pv update to it and it worked as a pv1.

so yes the drivers and hardware were designed for hardware from over a decade ago.

Edit: Sorry late 2005 not 2004

 

Beta testing here...

Its not hard at all to stall a 6spd with stock tires with:
CAN low boost to 85%
Power Reduction 15%
and low boost fueling less than 100%

I have not stalled my truck in a long time!



Turned it down enough to where I could not get 9psi at WOT with 125HP injectors. Turning it up to the higher levels pretty much negates the smoke control for me. Gotta get Quadzilla to get those drivers signed so anyone can download it once they get more data.

 

Tyler and I have both found a bug where sometime for some reason the custom tune doesn't apply it's settings unless you cycle through the power lvls and back to the level you want. It's been reported to the developer

Spencer and I went over the way the custom tuning works for the beta release for 0-30psi user tuned canbus. I have a happy tune for my truck, but my truck is an automatic so I don't know how that will work with your truck.


Power lvls: whatever you like
Timing: 8
Timing scaling: %80
Stretch: 1600-1800
TPS pump max: 100
TPS pump min: 20 ***This still works as it used to
Boost scaling: 35
Power reduction: 65 ** this only applies to lvl1, 100 will give you 100% of oem fueling 65 gives you 65 of oem.
Pump low PSI: 10-15 depending on where your truck normally lives in terms of PSI Set this above where you typically drive when just cruising.
Pump low scaling: 0 ** stay at 0 until you get canbus tuned. Once you are happy with canbus fueling then bump this up by %5 until you are happy with smoke output vs power vs driveablity. This can be used to give a little more meat under the curve when you want it.

0psi: 76
1psi: 77
2psi: 78
3psi: 79
4psi: 80
5psi: 82
6psi: 84
7psi: 86
8psi: 88
9PSI: 90
10psi: 92
11psi: 94
12psi: 96
13psi: 100
14psi: 104
16psi: 108
18psi: 115
20psi: 120
22psi: 125
24psi: 130
26psi: 135
28psi: 140




another side note for the V2 tuning. My vacuum operated cruise control works like a champ now. No more on the throttle off the throttle and repeat. It slowly builds to the mph needed then holds steady. I don't know how it will work when load increases significantly, but only time will tell.

 

Any word on 4k being supported?

 

I can't speak for quadzilla and what they want, but the 4k is really not street friendly, I don't know if the canbus tuning would do squat to control the 4k beast. I know when I was testing some old 4k boxes it was really all or nothing type of fueling.

if you are going to want the tuning, or smoke control, that this new tune is offering I would HIGHLY suggest you not run a 4k box. they are really on opposite sides of the fence. You wouldn't go out and buy chicken if you were craving bacon...

 

How intuitive is this new tuner? Can a simple shmuck like me with little tuning experience do it, or do I need a code writing diesel tuning shop to do it?

 

Your tuning is right here...
Between this thread and the stickie for quad info...

It wont be hard.

If you scale down the info, and take it in pieces...you will be fine.

I can easily see a new thread coming with everyones tunes in it...then it is just a quick change of the setting and a day of driving.

Good thing is, you can make it fit you and your truck, where as a can tune or even edge may not be ideal for every truck.

 

Very easy to tune, look at tylers post #1 in this thread.

You are pretty much just increasing or decreasing fueling by a % of OEM based upon how much power you want at that point vs smoke output.

Start with 0 psi setting and increase or decrease from %100 by %1 at a time until you are happy with how the truck runs at 0psi. Then do the same for 1psi, 2 psi up until 30 psi. once you are happy with how the truck drives with only canbus fueling then move to wiretap. Set the PSI you want wiretap to start fueling %100 then set how much wiretap you want before that.

Done.


Here is the tune for 100 hp injectors to run clean at 7000' altitude

Power lvls: whatever you like
Timing: 8
Timing scaling: %80
Stretch: 1600-1800
TPS pump max: 100
TPS pump min: 20 ***This still works as it used to
Boost scaling: 35
Power reduction: 65 ** this only applies to lvl1, 100 will give you 100% of oem fueling 65 gives you 65 of oem.
Pump low PSI: 10-15 depending on where your truck normally lives in terms of PSI Set this above where you typically drive when just cruising.
Pump low scaling: 0 ** stay at 0 until you get canbus tuned. Once you are happy with canbus fueling then bump this up by %5 until you are happy with smoke output vs power vs driveablity. This can be used to give a little more meat under the curve when you want it.

0psi: %76
1psi: %77
2psi: %78
3psi: %79
4psi: %80
5psi: %82
6psi: %84
7psi: %86
8psi: %88
9PSI: %90
10psi: %92
11psi: %94
12psi: %96
13psi: %100
14psi: %104
16psi: %108
18psi: %115
20psi: %120
22psi: %125
24psi: %130
26psi: %135
28psi: %140

 

me78569,

Going to try your tune on my truck tomorrow when I drive to the airport (going to the ADS convention). Figure it should be close since I am at 4500ft, but a 62/65/12 turbo. I had my fueling curve much more aggressive than your settings.

 

If it is a little low on power off idle / down low you might bump all pre 10psi settings by ~%2 - %4. I don't know much much the auto helps on take off so my tune may be too weak down low.

Tyler's truck was easy to get off the line, but his fire hose injectors might be keeping him from having issues. His starting point is ~%65 I think


As a note to everyone you don't need to increase % as you increase PSI, you can actually drop % after the 1st psi to help with off the line. Even if you set all values at %100 the truck will gain power because the ecm is requesting more power based upon it's own maps.

IE:

0 psi: %80 // this will give you good offline power
1 psi: %78 //this will help with smoke
2 psi: %77
3 psi: %78
4 psi: %79
5 psi: %80
6 psi: %81
7 psi: %84
8 psi: %88
etc
etc
etc

So don't be afraid to move up and down on the scale.


Also if you are looking for the right % to start at, don't be afraid to use lvl1 and set the power reduction at %85 then take off, if the truck is too slow bump up by %1, if the truck blows smoke drop by %1. Find the happy spot and use that as your starting point for the custom tuning. I guess it is like the 12v guys do when the look for good spool with only having haze.

 

Also it is important that anyone that is doing beta testing needs to load their custom tune 2 times before it will take full effect. there is a know bug that prevents the tune from fully loading everytime the first time.

 

Some more notes from testing.


I had some cruise control time today with hills and load and I can say the cruise controls works better than stock for me now. The truck doesn't over react to falling under speed, no more on / off fueling with the tuner. Rather the truck will fall by a few mph on hills TPS will increase to compensate, but I have yet to have it try to downshift or increase tps input to the point of coming onto wiretap fueling. It may take 30 seconds to build 5 mph on a hill, but that is ok with me as it is much more smooth.


I ramped up fueling by %1 from 4 psi to 10 psi, which helped some down low. I realized that I needed to relearn how to drive my truck somewhat, Rather than having all the torque in the world at %25 throttle I now need %45 throttle to get the same feeling. I'd say by %65 throttle the power is even between the old quad tuning and the new quad. Regardless it makes the truck drive way different, not really in a bad way, just different.

I used to have a shudder due to the quad fueling when at high rpm low TPS input. That is no longer happening. I think the shudder was due to a map that didn't make sense in that case. The old 3000 tune did this worse and the 1000 wasn't bad, but now it doesn't do it at all.

As a result of the new tuning my trans now shifts at high enough points in the revs to land in a good rev range for the next gear vs the early shift I had before due to the low TPS input.



Jacob,

I don't know if you have the latest revision of the beta tune, but the tune that averages the boost reads by 32 reads is a big improvement for cruising. Originally the quad only averaged 8 boost reads which caused a good bit of map sensor jumping around. This would cause a very slight surge when sitting in the 3-6 psi range at a steady speed / tps input. I doubt most people would notice it, but I did so I increased the reads to 32 and the map no longer jumps and thus no more surging.

Just keep that in mind if you feel the truck slightly surging tomorrow.


I am sure there will be more to report.

 

I'm loading this up tomorrow morning. I was curious if you truck has a lope when cold and you put it in gear? If so did this cure some of that?

On my truck, I had to lower the pop off pressure to P pump specs to stop this, but I think its what causes the truck to haze and haze at idle. If it did help, I'll get the pop pressure raised back up.

I'm also curious if your quad always stays at the last settings. Mine will shut off when it sits and I have to turn it back on.