Yup, the proprietary/custom high pressure injector line that is required for the Banks intake horn for the 2007+ 6.7L trucks is a huge disadvantage.
You are super lucky that Banks had one in stock, ready to go. If they didn't, you are not going to find one at your Chrysler or Cummins dealer.

Everyone with this custom Banks injector line should be carrying a spare with them.


I can't find the line separately on the Banks website.

But it looks like Scheid diesel makes them also: US$140 each, welcome to Banks!

It also looks like the 2019+ engines use a different line.

2008-2018 Dodge Cummins 6.7L #1 Fuel Line For Banks Air Intake

2008-2018 Dodge Cummins 6.7L #1 Fuel Line For Banks Air Intake

www.scheiddiesel.com

 

That’s an awful lot of money for 1 fuel line.

 

Welcome to the world of high pressure common rail fuel systems. You should see what they cost on other engines.

 

I found two advantages to the Black Market Performance air horn--it does not interfere with the stock injection lines, and also fits under the engine cover. The stock egr system fits without any modification.

 

I milled my OEM intake horn just like that and it works just fine. Still get to 65 PSI with no problem.

 

has anyone else reported this problem as well or could it be just a one off,, freek incident etc. for as many that banks sells of them if it was a real problem we would hear more about it. Kinda like the trans issues.. could be just a freak deal cause by the bend?

 

The banks tech told me they have had a handful of these lines go bad out of 5k egr kits sold... this same line is also used in the non-egr race kits... which he also said a few thousand were sold... so banks is aware... you can see from the pic I posted that the new replacement line looks solid compared to the defective one... a spare line would be good idea to carry, however to change out the line on a road break down would be a challenge, I had to pull the egr valve and the horn to get to this line... there is just not enough room to get a wrench in between the horn and the head... I will brain storm over the weekend to see if I can make a special tool... still waiting on the banks horn and egr gaskets...

 

The monster ram kit is not worth the headache, stock line can be pulled using the stock horn... and it looks like the stock horn can be modified to increase flow, the large shelf on the inside could be cut back to increase flow... from now on I will be carrying the stock line, horn and hardware on longer road trips... I guess I fell victim to the banks hype and reviews, along with the grid heater broken bolt syndrome... which could easily be fixed using a ss bolt and a nyloc or jam nut... or you could get the black market performance grid heater conversion...

 

The melted nut problem can't be fixed with a stainless bolt and nylock nut. It is actually a stud coming from the plastic encased bus bar, and the nut is staked from the factory. The nut can be only so tight with the fiber insulators, and the issue comes from a poor connection (presumably the fiber compacts over time) with a lot of amperage.

 

Not your fault OP, Banks has great marketing and obviously doesn't tell the truth in their products. Any product that nearly starts your truck on fire due to failure should be taken entirely off the market, but hey.... thats the world we deal with now. There is a lot of testimony on here where members state the same thing you did, worst thing that can happen now is that you simply share your story and review of their products to others.

 

Thanks guys for the info, I will now avoid the potential Banks product I was considering.
I did the grid heater element dis-able to avoid possible nut/bolt/terminal melting and was considering a new horn with a different heater arrangement that can't fault into the intake plenum.
Banks was on the list of potential products and I found a shop near-ish to me that does mods from mild to wild but yeah, Banks may not be a thing for me. That fuel line looked like an "off-shore quality" welded tube and man are you ever lucky it didn't start a fire! Kind of begs the question are their parts made off-shore? I prefer to buy USA made or Canadian if possible to have half a chance at some quality materials.
The little project may well end up with some grinding on my stock intake horn (cool idea there) and a few other bits I have seen on videos out in the Ether. The actual job of removing a crap ton of fuel lines and parts to get at the manifold seems like a lot for the driveway but maybe when the weather improves here and I can ride my bike to work it can be plucked away at.
Quite a reach to get to #5 and #6, so this will require some pondering.

 

Posting this as a advisement for anyone who has installed the banks monster ram intake system... last wed was heading out for a fishing trip early am towing the bass boat, about six miles from home I started smelling fuel and light smoke around the truck (2018 4x4) pulled over and
got the hood opened, fuel everywhere... after a brief start up, I saw fuel spraying out of the #1 injector line, my grandson got a ride back to house for tools and the 2nd gen for the boat, thinking the injector line hold down nut had backed off... was not the issue, I called the hook... upon getting the truck back to my shop and further examination, I could see there was a crack or pin hole in the banks custom injector line... called banks and they sent a replacement line under warranty, had it by 11am the next day... overall I like the system and it does get a little better mileage and performs good, however this line issue has me worried about future trips, had the egr crossover pipe gotten to it's usual hi temp, for sure the truck would have caught fire...!!! anyways I'm posting a pic of the defective line (right) and new replacement line (left) tell me what you think, looks like the defective line has a bad weld and flaw... thanks all...

Out of curiosity, was this the first trip on the intake horn system?

 

No... I have about 8k on the conversion before this happened... just got everything back together today and did a startup, and was ok, the new line looks solid and no noticeable defects that I could see... anytime you mod something from factory, it seems like there are challenges, knowing what I know now, I would NOT do the banks conversion and would mod my stock parts... looking at the stock manifold plate, I can see where you could open up the inlet and horn for more flow, will it flow more cfm than the banks? probably not, but unless your looking big power, it should suffice... and I don't think imo that the banks system will actually increase hp as these crd's are controlled by a pcu and unless you do the power upgrades along with the banks system, it probably a waste of money... however I did increase my fuel mileage by 1-2 mpg on hwy with banks monster ram and intake breather kit, which tells me it's probably more efficient than stock... I did both together, so not sure which one made the most difference, the banks breather system does increase the volume or sound level of exhaust brake which some make not like, I like the increased sound, lets me me know it's working...

 

It’s funny you posted this because I currently have my truck in my shop to discover this same exact issue. I had done a 60 mile highway trip to attend an ag conference and was 20 miles from home when I heard a loud “pop” and had a significant power loss. Pulling off the highway I immediately had diesel mist and smoke billowing out from under my hood. Needless to say my truck was well up to temp from the hour of highway driving so I’m surprised nothing worse happened. I saw a link posted above for the replacement line, is that the best place to get it? Worried about this happening again because I frequent pulling my gooseneck trailer and would hate to have this happen again.

 

You can buy one for $140 (from the previously posted link) or get it from Banks probably for free. I'd like to think they'd replace a failed part like this.

 

Thanks for the info. First time hearing this, but I've installed the Monster Ram on my truck, and now you have me worried. Is there a warranty period? I guess $140.00 may be the price I pay for the hype and having a replacement on hand just in case.

 

Look closely at the pic I posted and you can see the defect, I would take a pic of your line and zoom in to see if you have a similar defect, also check the other bend or radius of the line... I kept all of my stock parts incase of another failure and will be taking these parts with me on road trips, sad I know... the way I look at it is, you will have to pull the banks horn to get at their line anyways and at that point the banks parts won't be going back on...!!! stock horn, injector line, and gaskets, you could tape up the heater wire, truck will start without it... 19mm wrench and the long 6mm allen key... could be changed on the road if needed... hopefully it won't ever happen again... and banks will have better quality control on there parts

 

Why not just run a Cab/Chassis intake horn?

 

Its probably like twice as much as a banks kit, if you bought from the dealer, you might find one on ebay... btw what is so different about the c&c version...?

 

I run one on my 11. It opening going to the grid heater isn’t necked down like the truck intake horns are. I actually got mine from GDP, they mill a flat spot underneath for the MAP sensor and it also comes with 3 1/8npt holes for other stuff.

 

ahh - I think this is your reply to the C&C difference - sorry for the re-post. So, no intake upgrade needed as it appears I already have it - coolieo. Now to order/install the KGHB upgrade kit and call it good.

 

Could be the way to go for some... the stock horn can be opened up some, along with the plate, the horn has a shelf cast in to direct air flow over the grid heater, removing the grid and opening up the plate and horn would probably be all that would be needed to improve flow on stock trucks... blackmarket diesel sells a grid heater conversion that bolts on below the horn and uses the same coil heater element as the banks... that heater seems to work well on my 6.7 and I will be using one on my 4bt swap motor...

 

Broken high pressure fuel lines are not uncommon for the 2003-07 5.9L trucks.

Usually the #4 line. Cummins re-designed it, most of us 5.9L guys carry a spare with us.
However, it was only US$50 a few years ago and it can be changed out in 10 mins with a couple of wrenches.


If I had the Banks air horn, I would just order up a spare #1 custom injector line and carry one around in the truck.
It's too bad that replacing that line is more time consuming than a stock 6.7 engine but I wouldn't lose much sleep over it.

 

Broken high pressure fuel lines are not uncommon for the 2003-07 5.9L trucks.

Usually the #4 line. Cummins re-designed it, most of us 5.9L guys carry a spare with us.
However, it was only US$50 a few years ago and it can be changed out in 10 mins with a couple of wrenches.


If I had the Banks air horn, I would just order up a spare #1 custom injector line and carry one around in the truck.
It's too bad that replacing that line is more time consuming than a stock 6.7 engine but I wouldn't lose much sleep over it.

To me, if I have to replace that banks line a 2nd time, it's coming of the truck permanently, more headache than it's worth, there is no reason to spend an extra $150 for spare line on top of the high price of the kits anyways... I have not heard of any issues regarding the stock 6.7 lines failing, that banks line only had 8k miles on it...

 

Well glad I found this thread, my banks setup is being delivered tuesday so that line will be the first thing I check and if it looks like the one on the right ill be sure to call banks right away and get the replacement!
Personally im not interested in the performance gains, I have just seen the absolute carnage that factory heater bolt can cause and figured $900 and a couple hours wrench time is worth protecting the engine while not losing the intake heater either since my in laws live up north.

@Oilburner55 have you had any issues with the replacement line since you replaced it?

 

Well glad I found this thread, my banks setup is being delivered tuesday so that line will be the first thing I check and if it looks like the one on the right ill be sure to call banks right away and get the replacement!
Personally im not interested in the performance gains, I have just seen the absolute carnage that factory heater bolt can cause and figured $900 and a couple hours wrench time is worth protecting the engine while not losing the intake heater either since my in laws live up north.

@Oilburner55 have you had any issues with the replacement line since you replaced it?

No, so far so good... I have bought banks products before and their quality always seems top notch, so I never really examined their line that closely, the banks tech did admit they have had a "handful" of line failures and that their lines are not made in house... the only other issue I have had after the conversion is a cel pertaining to the ccv saying it was disconnected, I hooked the ccv per banks instructions... the cel came on during the first 150mi trip towing my boat, I cleared the code and then on a road trip it went on again, cleared it again, came on once again on a 1k road trip, but this time it cleared itself on the back half of the trip, and stayed off for awhile until I added a ccv catch can, it's still a closed ccv system with all the factory sensors still hooked, so idk what to think at this point...

 

I just ordered the Banks monster yesterday. I'm basically doing it to eliminate the heater bolt problem. If I do get some more torque all the better, as I tow a +16000# 5th wheel. I have a smarty JR installed, I'm glad I will not have to worry bout the bolt. I live in Mich, so it gets cold at times.

 

It's a waste of $$$ and no you will not gain any more torque or MPG. No need to worry about the "bolt" problem.

 

Just posted similar story. How long had you had it at the time of failure and how is it doing now. I have the replacement and will put it on this Saturday. Thanks for any info.

 

I bought my kit in june of 22, the line failed after around 8k mi after first installing, it's been close to a year since the failure and only 4k more miles... I checked the new line before installing and you can see from my posted pics there is definitely a flaw or blemish in the line, which I didn't catch on the first install and probably was not looking that close, as banks is supposed to have this great quality control, "trust but verify" is a statement we all should adopt now days with the way parts are currently manufactured... a banks tech told me they have had only a handful of line failures, yours is only the first, besides mine that I have heard about on this forum... Banks is a master at hyping their products they sell, I would never install this kit again or recommend it to anyone looking to rectify the grid heater death bolt, there are better and less $$$ options available now...

 

Have it installed, I can feel and see a diff for the better for MPG. Empty on the freeway I use to get 18.4-18.6 at 70 mph, now 21-22.2 mpg, at 70. Pulling though I didnt hand figure, may be getting .5-1 more mpg, thats great #'s

 

Yeah, I think there is a slight increase in mpg, abought like yours .5-1.0 increase, I too get around 20+ hwy on road trips out to ca. I have the banks intake as well that might help, but for a 2500 pickup doing 70+ and getting 20+ mpg is impressive...!!! this was something I could only dream of back in the 80's driving my 74 f250 highboy with fulltime 4x4 and getting 8mpg... stinking gassers

 

Posting this as a advisement for anyone who has installed the banks monster ram intake system... last wed was heading out for a fishing trip early am towing the bass boat, about six miles from home I started smelling fuel and light smoke around the truck (2018 4x4) pulled over and View attachment 994639
got the hood opened, fuel everywhere... after a brief start up, I saw fuel spraying out of the #1 injector line, my grandson got a ride back to house for tools and the 2nd gen for the boat, thinking the injector line hold down nut had backed off... was not the issue, I called the hook... upon getting the truck back to my shop and further examination, I could see there was a crack or pin hole in the banks custom injector line... called banks and they sent a replacement line under warranty, had it by 11am the next day... overall I like the system and it does get a little better mileage and performs good, however this line issue has me worried about future trips, had the egr crossover pipe gotten to it's usual hi temp, for sure the truck would have caught fire...!!! anyways I'm posting a pic of the defective line (right) and new replacement line (left) tell me what you think, looks like the defective line has a bad weld and flaw... thanks all...

Hi Oilburner55

The same thing just happened to me and I made a post to warn you. A guy (StealthDiesel, thank you ) replied to me by putting your link there.

I admit that it's not funny when your truck is in danger of burning, I have employees and I wouldn't make them take that risk.
I have 2 dually equipped with the Monster ram... which I deleted on 1 and did tests with the second one with a spare tube in case it starts again.

https://www.cumminsforum.com/threads/warning-for-those-who-have-installed-a-banks-monster-there-is-danger.2604380/

 

sorry to hear this happened to you also, does your injector line look like the defective one in the pic I posted...??? the replacement line banks sent me looks ok, and so far no issues... this problem doesn't seem to concern banks, they have never issued a warning notice or offered a recall on the years affected if known... I strongly voiced my opinion and concern with their cs rep and tech, of course they told me mine was a isolated incidence... I will never buy another banks product again and try to tell as many I can that their product is not worth the headache and potential fire hazard, for what is a miniscule increase in fuel mileage and performance, there are better and less costly options out there for the dreaded grid heater bolt debacle... Whenever I go on long road trips I carry the stock horn and injection line, just in case... 😕

 

Maybe the OP of this thread can re-name the thread to “Monster Ram Downgrade”

 

Wow yes I hope you get fixed up quickly. I assume there have been no words back from Banks? Was the crappy tubing a select few issue I hope?

 

Banks knows there is a issue with these lines and still continues to push this mr kit as the save all for the grid heater death bolt... there will likely be more fails from the banks mr kit than the actual grid heater death bolt itself... Banks also says there has only been a handful of line fails to date...🤥🤥🤥

 

Kind of alarming really. I believe the entire reason for changing was to protect the truck from harm, not add a level of possible danger to it?
I see how there had been some instances of leaking stock #4 lines for earlier models but at least there is a replacement line available at a dealer.
Maybe a design that would keep the original lines would be better, would reduce their costs and eliminate liabilities for faulty parts.
A little better QC and less China-Inc would be a better look for this higher end company IMHO.