LOL BURN!

Ford seems to be slightly behind the power curve, which is not surprise since that is where they have been since they ditched the 7.3 PSD IMO

 

hmmm that is interesting since the new 6.7L powerstroke actually has more "power" just less toqure.

440hp 860lbs is really greater than 385hp 865lbs


the new ford smashes the ram on power just go drive one. Now do I want to own one??? no I think they have more problems but if my ram would have had the power of the ford I would have been way happier. you have to mod the ram to have the pep the ford just comes with.

 

Sup Ford!? What ya got?! :crickets:

 

Ram is for sure behind the game with crazy torque management and lower hp than the other two, but if we look at the whole package I think the only one that can come close to a Ram is the Chev/GMC...

Who cares if Ford compares their "f450" against Rams 3500? At the end of the day, it is just a badge on the side, not the end all be all. To compete in the same weight range Ford is using a F450. Which one is going to have a higher cost of ownership? Know what a 19.5" tire is worth??? Both the 450 and 3500 were designed into the same segment. It could easily be argued that ram is the one that made its 3500 more of a 4500 with the redisign... just playing devils advocate. And until Ram gives the Cummins more HP, we will always be last up the hill...if that matters to some. Personally, I would rather get there without a tow!

My ford F550 6.7 has been the worst vehicle I have ever owned for reliability. That is saying a lot coming from 6.0 and 6.4 powerstokes! The cab is a good design...for the late 90's, but in todays market when looking for a loaded truck the interior is not even an argument. The 6R140 is a good transmission, clunky as all get out most of the time but tough for sure.

 

Whoa, got real serious, real fast. Eeeeeeaaaassssyyy fellas.

 

You know it's funny, I have pulled a 15K lbs 5th wheel all around the US, through mountains, long straight highways and such. I have never felt underpowered. I get to the top and look around, guess what? Nobody on my tail, nobody (in a similar rig) passing me, no Fords, no Chev/GMC, no semi's. I might be fastest from stop light to stop light, but when it comes to towing power, there is nothing better!

 

Ford has always been behind the curve, especially so these last couple years.

There's no question the best truck on the market, the only one moving and shaking....and it doesn't have a bowtie or oval on the front.

 

Ford may have more horsepower but they got no heart.

 

BUT...they have jugs and jugs and jugs of Blue Koolaid for the weak mindedS:

 

Ford uses way more diesel fuel with that higher HP V8. Torque does the work, so
feeding a high HP V8 can send you to the poor house pretty quick.
6 in a row works better for me. It's more like a truck than a combine

 

nothing beats a big 408 cubic inch straight 6

 

Was in the heavy towing business for 12 years. I could of bought any one of these trucks. I chose the cummins. I was more interested in longevity than who had the best internet ratings.

.02

 

+1, talk to all the big rig runners, they don't care about who's got the best rating as much as who has the longest reliability, all the horsepower and torque in the world won't get you nowhere if you're not running...the cummins, was made to drive...there is a reason why the cummins high millage club exists...

 

I drive a 2014 (maybe 13 ) F450 cclb for work somedays. With a 32' gooseneck and a skidsteer with some attachments its 26-28k pounds. Their rated at 300 hp. I feel that 300 hp or so is all that is really needed most days. The rockies and the mountain ranges out west slow it down but still faster than the big trucks up hill.

Never towed heavy with a 350hp pickup but I'm sure its awesome.

At the end of the day ease of use, quiet, comfortable and good brakes are all that matters to me. Stop lights and hills are no big deal if a person has patience.

 

RAM made it on Apples website
Apple - CarPlay

 

And you're the exact target consumer Ford wanted....the one that wants "bragging rights".

Hook. Line. Sinker. Ya bought it.

 

I suppose your addressing me since I'm the new Power Stroke owner. I never mentioned bragging rights I mentioned that the truck was more useful and it is I no longer have to floor the truck to get a big load moving. The Ram is a third rate performer and if they ever pull their act together they may win me back. Yea I bought the Power Stroke because it IS A BETTER TRUCK. Have fun mopar!

 

Check out the straight up 6.7 engine failures all over the Powerstoke forums, 15's are having problem already too. I know a very reputable truck body builder he told told me out of all of the offerings right now the Cummins/Aisin is the way to go, he sees a lot of trucks and hears all of the complaints.
I'll take potential glitchy software over Found On Road Dead any day. I've had zero issues with my truck towing or not towing. I pay more attention on what's happening at my RPM range. My truck is always moving under load. Maybe not the fastest but with the least effort. I'd rather get up or down more roads. Instead of fewer faster.

 

Check out the straight up 6.7 engine failures all over the Powerstoke forums, 14's and 15's too. I know a very reputable truck body builder he told told me out of all of the offerings right now the Cummins/Aisin is the way to go, he sees a lot of trucks and hears all of the complaints.
I'll take potential glitchy software over Found On Road Dead any day. I've had zero issues with my truck towing or not towing. I pay more attention on what's happening at my RPM range. My truck is always moving under load. Maybe not the fastest but with the least effort. I'd rather get up or down more roads. Instead of fewer faster.

All the "failures on the 15's? You are a liar, plain and simple.

This thread is full of pathetic circle jerking. Face it, all three make good trucks but almost everyone on this forum have to reassure each other that their is bigger. Why are all of you guys so insecure?

 

PS: In my 30 years I've honestly never seen a broken down Cummins Diesel on the side of the road. I have seen hundreds of Power Strokes over the years on the side of the road with the hood up.

I take that back, I did see a Cummins on the side of the road about 5 months ago, but it was hooked to the trailer that they were winching the 6.0 Power Stroke on to.

CHEERS

 

^ lol and a bear doesn't crap in the woods.

 

My Diesel Experience is limited, but I've spent a lot of them in the last three years. I've owned 2-Ram 2500's 75,000 miles on the first one and 68,000 miles on the second. I only sold the first 2012 because the Used car manager at my dealership wouldn't leave me alone one day while I was there for an oil change and a bolt. I bought Cummins on legacy alone, I am 35 I was in high school when the First Cummins arrived in a dodge. At the time I remember thinking that's the coolest truck I've ever seen!

I've not been disappointed with the powerplant's in my truck, it tows amazing.

My oil field work has put me in a 2008-Duramax, which was beat like a drum but the engine was still running.

I've been subsequently in a 2011 F350 (6.7) by the time I got that truck with 70k on the odometer it was on its 3rd 6.7 and 5th turbo. My 2012 F350 ran fine until 20k and same stuff with the turbo's. I also occasionally drove a gutless 2011 F350(6.7) with a gooseneck perpetually attached, it needed to be scrapped with 89,000 miles on the odometer. The last truck I had was a 2013 F350... I quit that job before putting to many miles on the truck.

Candidly, the test drive makes the S.D. feel amazing, but then you realize that Ford is like that beautiful woman that has five kids from 4 different men. You better run fast... Fords ******* Children so to speak are the 6.0, the 6.4, and jury is still deliberating on the 6.7 power stroke. The 7.4; while it hangs in there as the good ole days for Ford, it still doesn't come close to the Cummins in real world work and longevity. Sorry Ford.

Now I have my own company, I'll be responsible for the fleet... Ford sucks at honoring their warranty. That are outright criminal at it! They find every excuse not too. If the fact that Ford cannot pick a horse to put into a diesel truck weren't enough, they don't stand behind their products. Building a fleet will not be done with blue oval, I cannot afford nor tolerate Ford's service and down time potential. The P.S. 6.7's I've used in the oil patch have proven to be that.

 

Maybe its a brand thing or maybe the type of buyers it attracs...but I've never seen a ram truck with bull balls dangling from the rear bumper....on the other hand...I've seen a lot of those on Ford trucks...wonder if there is a corrolation...

 

Isn't Horsepower a calculation? TQxRPM/ 5252? Why do so many people worry about HP numbers. Ram runs less RPM. Just because TO management keeps it under control when I smash on it. Doest mean it's not there. Keeps me from breaking stuff.


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someone that actually understands HP #'s, i'm amazed


You can't post up huge HP numbers if your truck doesn't go over 4,000 rpms!

 

Jezus, really??? HP is a measure of work done, look it up! If a drivetrain puts more power to the pavement it WILL GET MORE WORK DONE!

You put a 6.4 hemi against a 6.7 cummins (even the HO/Aisin) pulling the same load up the same hill, same gears and all, the hemi will out pull the cummins every time! THAT is simple math... HP is work done, plain and simple. It will take longer to get started because of its lower torque but once it gets moving it will overtake the lower powered truck.

Torque gets the load moving, that's all. Yes they are both related, but whomever can put more hp to the pavement will be faster.

Yes the ford has more hp, yes it is faster both loaded and empty, but that's about all it has over the current ram so who cares? If fast is all that matters to you, buy the ford and report back after 100k...tell us how much you like it then.

Oh and anyone that doesn't think the 6.7 powerstroke or LML Dmax have low rpm torque or balls needs to actually drive one with a load. They have just as much low rpm power as any stock cummins, maybe even a little better.

 

Jezus, really??? HP is a measure of work done, look it up! If a drivetrain puts more power to the pavement it WILL GET MORE WORK DONE!

You put a 6.4 hemi against a 6.7 cummins (even the HO/Aisin) pulling the same load up the same hill, same gears and all, the hemi will out pull the cummins every time! THAT is simple math... HP is work done, plain and simple. It will take longer to get started because of its lower torque but once it gets moving it will overtake the lower powered truck.

I can't wait to blow all you Cummins owners off the road with my Hemi 6.4!!! :rof

Owned both and there is no way my 6.4 would out tow my Cummins!

 

This is the craziest BS I've ever heard. Some of the things people say on here bust me up, now we have people saying a 6.4 gasser will out pull a 6.7 Cummins. This forum amazes me more & more everyday. I guess we all stupid for buying a diesel when we could save 8000 & stick with a gasser the work horses of the hauling world. LOL.

 

I guess you can't read.. what people are saying is that with the same loads, and same gearing a more powerful engine CAN pull a load faster than a lower powered one. In this case, the more powerful (but less torque) engine is the 6.4 Hemi (410 hp vs 385 hp Cummins) will it last as long HELL NO because it's going to be at it's redline, will it use more fuel HELL yes because it's making more power, and a gasoline engine is not as efficient as a diesel (both the engine and the fuel)

 

We put my 12,000 pound tractor and trailer behind my brothers Hemi powered Ram a few years ago, and let it TRY to pull it out of our little valley. That truck tried to beat itself to death getting up that little hill. I hook same load to my then Duramax with Allison, and i could just keep accelerating up the hill- 60+ mph while he struggled miserably at 20-25 mph!!! 1st or second gear only for him.
This thread is hilarious-gassers with more power than dieselsrof
You can put anything you want on paper, gear them same for same, and hp to hp, watch what happens!

 

Years ago people didn't even care how much HP a DIESEL had

Take a 454 or a 460 for example.. those never out pulled the first 7.3L Power Strokes and the PS only had 215 HP

 

after Katrina, FEMA was paying people to haul trailers to New Orleans.. my brother was one of them and was using a 12 valve Cummins in a Dodge Ram 2500.. going up the Rockies he would have it floored and doing all of 30 mph, yet another guy with a new Ford F250 and V10 was SMOKING everyone up the passes. HOW was this possible.. COME ON he had a gasser and my brother and the rest of the guys were using diesels.. COULD IT BE because he had 175 more horse power.. nah, it couldn't be (had 35 more ft lbs torque in the gasser as well).. it's a gasser and we ALL know that gassers are slower than any diesel when it comes to towing..

:S::S:

 

I'd take that bet...

My money's on the Cummins, identical trucks and loads and gears. If I'm not mistaken the 66 and 68rfe both use the same gears, so let's see someone do it.

You can theorize all you want, real world application is what matters though.

You guys ever driven up a hill in a gasser then done the same with your diesel? Which one pulls the hill (even empty) better? It ain't the gasser. The gasser typically hits the hill and lugs then downshifts and revs to maintain speed, the diesel hits the hill and doesn't even know it's on a hill. That my friends is torque keeping the engine pulling instead of having to drop a gear.

There HAS to be two members, one with a Cummins and one with a 6.4, in very similar if not identical axle gears and truck configuration. Take both, hook up to 10k lbs, hit the highway with cruise set, and who's going to pull the hill?

The Cummins will, guaranteed. Guaranteed. I have two cases of beer on it, since that seems to be universal payment for guys:rof

 

I stated in my post that I was game....even recommended one of the test tow sites we read about on here on I64 in WV, the New River Gorge area with 6% grade for about 4 miles than about a 3 mile 7% grade...."Say when":thumbsup:

 

There's a difference between "on paper" and real world; my beloved 2013 Denver Broncos were the greatest offense in the history of the NFL on paper, and they got absolutely annihilated and held to a measly 8 points in the Super Bowl. And I don't believe Seattle's D was the best in history on paper...

That one still stings, but redemption comes in February '15

 

I've only owned one gasser ever that towed like a Diesel and it was my 8.1 with 4.10 gears. It wouldn't accelerate as quickly but it held speed on the hills just as good as any of my Diesel engines. It did run at 4500 rpms to hold speed on the hills though. That's one gasser I regret getting rid of! I'm guessing my new 6.4 isn't going to tow as well as my 8.1 did.:confused013:3. Don't know what it was about that engine but truck engine builders should take note of that motors abilities! I'd love to see an 8.1 version von my 6.4 Hemi!

 

492 cubic Inches to maybe get done what a 6 cylinder 408 cubic inch engine can do with more weight and higher gears... i promise you that my truck out weighed your 8.1 has more wind drag than your 8.1 because it's taller, has higher gears, and taller stock tires and will still out pull your 8.1 and double the fuel economy