Here is Mass I have to go through a yearly emissions testing. This involves both a visual and obd2 plugin looking at all the readiness monitors.

11 months a year I run deleted. Then for month 12 I reinstall everything and reprogram. Takes about 400-500 miles to reset the emissions monitors.

Once I get my sticker I rip everything off


It’s not too bad. Takes an hour each time

For me it’s worth it

Hope this helps






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Until this year our state had emissions testing in only the most populated counties though they mostly exempted diesels from the requirement. For them to about-face on this seems odd though since it would be privatized I suppose the cost would be minimal to them. They did the same thing w/ alcohol sales.

I'm guessing your rig must not have to deal w/ DEF. Most estimates I see/hear say it's 6 - 10 hours of labor to remove.

 

Correct. No DEF. I take off the EGR valve, NOX and DPF. Thanks it and then reprogram.


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That's great you can do that. Makes me wish mine was pre-DEF.

 

You may be covered under warranty, it’s their dime possibly!

 

You have one possibly emissions related issue in 58K miles, and you immediately want to spend a bucket of money deleting it???

Could be a simple fix, or possibly no fix at all, to get rid of the cause of the countdown message.

My truck, is at 457K, all original equipment emissions intact.

 

You do some serious driving.

 

Pull the code! If DEF injector it’s pricey, about the cost of delete but until you know why limp mode is coming it’s conjecture.

 

Its crazy to delete without knowing the cause just to fix the cause. Maybe the OP knows the code and just chose not to tell us that. Its a long list of causes for limp mode, not all are emission related. Plus it could be covered under the 5 year 100K mile warrant, close on the 5 years, but some parts in the emission system are 8 years 80K miles.

 

I think the NOx sensor is like $300 and a few minutes to replace. Not that I would fully trust the dealer to have properly diagnosed it. Did you get the codes that it is throwing. I assume its been in service for over 5 years, because that would be covered under the 5yr 100K warranty.

 

In looking at the paperwork they supplied, it cost me $122 for them to report code U059F (invalid data received from NOx sensor B). If it's really just that and the cost is what you say, I'd be crazy not to fix it myself which solves the short term.

Again, my initial reaction was due to various reports on sites like these about continuing problems to expect. I also enjoy horsepower so that was a big side benefit.

 

Well, I don't understand why it would be in countdown mode, because a NOx sensor issue won't do that.

I had the U059F pop the other day, then went away on its own, and no countdown mode.

There are two different NOx sensors, one costs more than the other, but both are less than $400 aftermarket, install less than an hour by a competent shop. Dealer will only use OEM parts $700-$900, plus their labor rates are high.

 

It seems you're saying the state is only getting out of the emissions testing business but not giving up the rules (otherwise why would they contract to the private sector). I haven't been able to find a thing to corroborate that so I'm curious where your info comes from.

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Here's some info-

https://www.king5.com/article/news/...ending-vehicle-emissions-tests-in-2020/281-7ab5b7d4-4f7d-41fc-87e1-1322fda99135

 

Yup, not a thing about renewed testing - just the same stuff I've found all over about ending the requirement. It seems the info I got wasn't true or, at least, not widely known at this point.

On another note, I drove my truck for probably 20 miles today at varying speeds including above 60 and there wasn't a peep about the supposed problem. I suppose I'll just hang on until something comes up.

Thanks to everyone who weighed in on this!

 

Not crazy to delete if it’s your preference or to head some of the emission issues that could lay in wait and I say could since there are trucks with mileage an no issues. I for one piece metaled my together after research and looking for good deals on new equipment all in all I have less than 1k in it and done by me. Raceme caught it sealed new on eBay 400$, 525 for 5” SS exhaust, 30 for tip, 30$ for egr copy of sinister (no issues). If your in a pinch and going to delete your gonna pay the going price. Good luck but do it cause you want to and no other reason.

 

I’m in Snohomish wa and I deleted mine before I had 10k miles on it but that’s just a preference to me since I’m a diesel tech and nobody is working on my rigs but me.
Also I’ve not seen anything that even hints at the possibility of future emission testing because everything is integrated into the vehicles now. That’s the biggest reason emission testing is going away because everything is on board. Hence “OBD”. If the vehicle throws a check engine for a emissions related part they will eventually derate and force you to take it to a dealer and have it fixed or fix it yourself to get the emissions capabilities back up to par.
Just my .02

 

I am in the industry and Spazoid is correct. States are viewing emissions as a non-issue now. Granted us diesel folks are crafty, but the majority of the VIO does not have issues anymore.


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It sounds like they did away with emission testing in WA.

 

My apologies fellas.

 

I can't find a thing on the internet about this. Further, this guy is a bit of a joker and it wouldn't be unlike him to spin a tale for his amusement.

https://ecology.wa.gov/Air-Climate/Air-quality/Vehicle-emissions/Emissions-check-ends

Looks like its going away and not being replaced. They consider the emissions problem solved apparently. I don't see any sign that private industry is taking over this role.

 

Washington is doing away with it all together, the program isnt effective and expensive. Take you truck to get fixed under warrenty. I just had my def pump replaced under warrenty at 60,xxx miles, 2013. Missouri just did away with safety inspections also, for the same reason.

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My county here in NC dropped emissions testing this year (Jan 01 2019). To expensive and not worth it, now its just a quick safety test to make sure the vehicle is road worthy. I think it cost me $13.

 

In Calif Diesels get tested every 2 years from new. I don't see the money grubbing nutbags running this state ever changing that unless they ban diesels from the state.

 

That state is a money grabbing piece of ! I'm glad I don't live there anymore.

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In Massachusetts it’s every single year, I wish it was every other year


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IMO,, if you can live with the smog stuff on the truck just leave it alone. I have no choice but not sure i would delete even if I could.

 

The only thing that bothers me about is that at least as far as I can tell, you can't ditch the VGT without ditching at least the EGR. Secondary to that, to maintain an exhaust brake once you ditch the VGT, you've got to pull the DPF. The EGR I don't care about because given a preference I'd prefer no exhaust in the intake and use more DEF to clean things up. Everything else I wouldn't even consider if not for the VGT failure potential....

 

The required smog testing is not about making sure the smog devices work. It's about making jobs and income for the state in taxes, fees, and fines. No smog testing and all those jobs are gone. Fake jobs.

 

All that and keeping the boot on your neck. Control is the goal.....

 

I have no emissions testing where I live, I’ve been an emissions fan. That said I just had an emissions issue and the horrible countdown, I’m at 105k. I purchased everything to lighten up the truck and it’s just staged in the garage. If/when I have another emissions issue the problem will be solved for good. It would be one thing if the parts were affordable, but these sensors, def pumps, def injector get real expensive out of warranty.
I will also be addressing the possible grid heater issue soon, I’m not sure it’s a big thing but if she goes I certainly don’t have $15-20k for repairs. I plan on keeping this truck for many years and miles to come.


My emissions issue was pretty simple, it was the def injector. Replaced it in my drive in 10 min.

 

I will also be addressing the possible grid heater issue soon, I’m not sure it’s a big thing but if she goes I certainly don’t have $15-20k for repairs. I plan on keeping this truck for many years and miles to come.

I've been looking at that lately for the same reason. $20k in repairs = head to the dealer for a new truck. It's as bad as the old killer dowel pin problem on the 12 valves.....

 

The DEF Injector is easily cleaned when removed, 2013-16 PU 2010-16 CC have NO Urea sensor in the Tank, Many of us have been running distilled water at mix 80/20- for years and NO codes or problems, the on 2013-16 as long as the Mixture is 10%+ Urea the NOx sensor (Past Mixing chamber) is happy. I pulled My DEF Injector out of My 2013 7 years and 45K miles had no crystallizing of Urea Not a spec 0 it look like new, it was exactly the same when the Mixing chamber was replaced at Recall.

If you 80%+HWY drive DEF rarely Plugs/ Crystallizes, so just carry on or take the risk.

IMO 2.5 Gallons of DEF to 1-2 Gallons of Distilled water and you will never see the Count down for DEF Injector. 2013-16

2017-19 have the urea sensor its Triggers service DEF at 22%, 2.5 Gallons DEF with 3/4 gallon Distilled water drop the reading to 24%, you just need to be careful if tank is full 2017-19, you just add More DEF if the Messages appears.

I have dropped My Urea concentration to 10% Urea 90% DI/DW no issues, I did some testing on My 2015 Eco 3.0VM and that Mixture met CAA COC laws 95% of driving 33/67% is just for the other 5% Driving, and is a Joke API rating IMO.... Do some research on how potent Urea is, its mixed 0Z P-G Per Acre when used to fertilize.

If You sprayed DEF on your yard it kills green vegetation better than Round-UP.

 

If this was directed at my post, I have a refractometer and test my def. I also tow quite regularly. The def injector is supposed to ohm between IIRC 11-13 ohms and mine was at .003-.005, it spiked to all of .5 but I may have slipped off the prongs. My DEF injector was clean with no def residue or crystals on the face. What’s funny is I replaced it with a buddy’s 2016 injector that was heavily crystallized. He doesn’t tow and had a EGR delete tune that used a ton of def, I cleaned it up, reset the codes and all is well.

The guarantee with these trucks is NO TWO TRUCKS ARE THE SAME...

 

Driving habits / conditions play a big part of DEF usage some owners get 2.5-3 miles per OZ and some 4-5+ miles Per OZ. If you tow/drive fast it will drop to 2-2.5Oz per Miles.

 

I will say if you pull the def injector it’s easy and could possibly use cleaning, but make sure you have a gasket (it will break) and use a good amount of high temp Anti seize on the 2 bolts.

 

I am in Washington and know several people in the diesel industry and no one has heard anything. The only way I see this is possible is the Pay-per-mile that they want to start doing. The two options for that will be a OBD2 monitor that they can remotely monitor or if you do not want to go that route then there will be a yearly inspection. I am sure that they would never remotely view your emission codes or monitor your GPS to auto send speeding tickets...

I have lightened my truck up after my warranty expired. I had a dpf issue that was fixed under-warranty but would have cost me 2500. And 2 weeks after my warranty expired I had the turbo actuator take a crap. It was the same to go non-vgt and replace parts as replacing with a VGT turbo. Truck runs way better, doesn't smoke, and gained several MPG. Truck is registered in rural eastern WA so I should be one of the last if they do end up with pay-per-mile.

 

I am in Washington and know several people in the diesel industry and no one has heard anything. The only way I see this is possible is the Pay-per-mile that they want to start doing. The two options for that will be a OBD2 monitor that they can remotely monitor or if you do not want to go that route then there will be a yearly inspection. I am sure that they would never remotely view your emission codes or monitor your GPS to auto send speeding tickets...



I have lightened my truck up after my warranty expired. I had a dpf issue that was fixed under-warranty but would have cost me 2500. And 2 weeks after my warranty expired I had the turbo actuator take a crap. It was the same to go non-vgt and replace parts as replacing with a VGT turbo. Truck runs way better, doesn't smoke, and gained several MPG. Truck is registered in rural eastern WA so I should be one of the last if they do end up with pay-per-mile.

You can replace just the vgt actuator for a couple hundred $$$.

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Google is your friend.....
WA has NO emissions testing anymore, for any vehicles.