[Craig@StraptPerformance]

So there are extra leafs in the pack?

Also i rode in a 6'' radius arm 4tg gen with 2.65 acv's and it didnt ride near as smootb as the 3'' 2.65 acv truck i rode in there over the same stuff.

So the towers didnt have to be modified to fit the 3.5?



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Yes, long travel leafs have quite a bit more love in them than standard deavers. I believe its 3 extra leafs and all of the leafs are a tad thinner paired with being a little longer and the long travel shackles. Don't quote me on the number of leafs in the pack but I'm 95% sure they were.

2.65 acv's have come a long way in the last 2 years so depending on when those shocks were built, they could or could not have the check valves in them which is a big game changer for those shocks. Without know the specifics on each shock/truck, its hard to say if that was normal or not.

The towers are different than standard fab towers. You'll see in the one picture that the shock bolt hole has been moved forward in order to give the shock enough room to swing back for the short arms. This is not needed for a radius arm system as the shock movement has much less swing even with the longer travel.

 

[Feller]

Yes, long travel leafs have quite a bit more love in them than standard deavers. I believe its 3 extra leafs and all of the leafs are a tad thinner paired with being a little longer and the long travel shackles. Don't quote me on the number of leafs in the pack but I'm 95% sure they were.

2.65 acv's have come a long way in the last 2 years so depending on when those shocks were built, they could or could not have the check valves in them which is a big game changer for those shocks. Without know the specifics on each shock/truck, its hard to say if that was normal or not.

The towers are different than standard fab towers. You'll see in the one picture that the shock bolt hole has been moved forward in order to give the shock enough room to swing back for the short arms. This is not needed for a radius arm system as the shock movement has much less swing even with the longer travel.

The truck I rode in was actually built less than 2 months before Ocotillo wells, it was the gun metal grey 2011 mega on 37 toyos, cant really remember the guys name but it wasn't near as smooth as cody's 3rd gen mega with the 3'' 2.65s.

I thought that radius would only work on 6'' kits because on 3'' kits castor would be an issue?

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[Craig@StraptPerformance]

The truck I rode in was actually built less than 2 months before Ocotillo wells, it was the gun metal grey 2011 mega on 37 toyos, cant really remember the guys name but it wasn't near as smooth as cody's 3rd gen mega with the 3'' 2.65s.

I thought that radius would only work on 6'' kits because on 3'' kits castor would be an issue?

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Ahhh, that was Mike's truck. 3" and 6" trucks are a bit different shock wise. That's as far as I'll go with it without overstepping some boundries.

Yes, radius arms are 6" only. My statement was geared to the point that the 6" 3.5 shocks are center mounted on the tower and have different valving compared to the 3" 3.5 shocks with the offset tower shock bolt hole.

 

[Feller]

Ahhh, that was Mike's truck. 3" and 6" trucks are a bit different shock wise. That's as far as I'll go with it without overstepping some boundries.

Yes, radius arms are 6" only. My statement was geared to the point that the 6" 3.5 shocks are center mounted on the tower and have different valving compared to the 3" 3.5 shocks with the offset tower shock bolt hole.

Gotcha.

Why are 6'' shocks tunes differently? Lighter compression because they have 3'' more compression?

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[Craig@StraptPerformance]

In a nutshell, yes. They have different travel numbers obviously and with a different range of travel, providing you're going over the same terrain, the valving needs to be adjusted (not by ratio) to compensate for the amount of travel used to obtain the same overall truck travel. Also with the extra travel can get you usually into more difficult terrain at higher speeds so there are adjustments that need to be made there as well.

Theoretical example: a short arm vehicle might use 6" of shock travel to go through 4" of terrain where as a long arm vehicle might use 4.5" of shock travel to go through the same terrain at the same speed. This is all because of the way the shock swings (or doesn't) through the suspension cycling. The speed at which the piston moves through the shock will be different with each shock demanding that the valving be different to have similar ride qualities between the two systems as far as shocks are concerned.

 

[sredish]

it's all about leverages and ratios.... you start changing things, then the shock valving will need adjustments to match.

 

[Feller]

This makes more and more sense.

In your opinion do the 2.65 acv's perform better than the 3.0s?

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[sredish]

This makes more and more sense.

In your opinion do the 2.65 acv's perform better than the 3.0s?

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in regards to what? the 3.0s are going to perform better in regards to heat dissipation. 2.65s can be valved to perform extremely well and there's things you can do with it to help it with getting rid of heat (as with king 2.5s). but, 3.0s are just that, 3.0s any day of the week vs the 2.65s. :thumbsup:

 

[Rhinopkc]

The 2.65s are pretty amazing, but they still aren't a 3inch King. They have different ride qualities, and there is no replacement for displacement!

 

[Rhinopkc]

Then, just when you think you have the biggest shocks on a Dodge truck, someone goes and crams 4.0s in there. One-upsmanship at it's finest.:S:

 

[sredish]

Then, just when you think you have the biggest shocks on a Dodge truck, someone goes and crams 4.0s in there. One-upsmanship at it's finest.:S:

no doubt. i'm still on baby kings.... :confused013:

 

[Rhinopkc]

I thought my 3.0s were the new baby Kings the way this stuff is going!

 

[Feller]

I dont mean heat dicipation I mean bottoming out resistance vs ride quality.

Also, how much farther forward was the upper shock mount moved forward?

What size hole do i drill for 3.0s?

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[strtlegal]

I dont mean heat dicipation I mean bottoming out resistance vs ride quality.

Also, how much farther forward was the upper shock mount moved forward?

What size hole do i drill for 3.0s?

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When I asked Sage how much further forward the bolt hole was moved he just smiled and changed the subject...ha

The holes are drilled out to 4.5" which is the same size we use on a 3.0" shock

I was a big supporter of long arms as I knew they always yielded the best ride quality and performance but I must say it rides very nice and hard to beat out in the desert.

The Blisteins out in the dirt felt great but as the got closer to full bump the ramp up. These just move much more fluidly over the rough terrain and there was hardly any jarring in the cab.

The bumper horns are from our buddy at PatonFab and I worked with the tube to get it the way I liked it.

 

[strtlegal]

The Long travel leafs in my application are not used to there fullest potential but given that they are 3" longer and have a softer rate they yield a little better offroad performance.

 

[sredish]

The Long travel leafs in my application are not used to there fullest potential but given that they are 3" longer and have a softer rate they yield a little better offroad performance.

so your rear leafs are longer than oem meaning you moved the mount?

 

[Feller]

Ya the video shows the truck staying pretty much flat which is what i look for in videos, not how much the wheels are moving. Also the back looks super smooth.

Are you using a longer stroke shock in the back than a 12''?

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[Feller]

Also are the 3.5s a custom body or just normal kings?

Did sage use a different piston than the king piston?

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[Temple Diesel]

Nice build

 

[Temple Diesel]

S= short body King