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Hello everyone i have an 06 quad cab 4x4 i am looking for a lift kit to run 35x12.50s on 18 or 20'' wheels. I want a 4 to 4.5'' lift kit however i don't want to sacrifice ride comfort if anything i want it to ride smoother i was looking at Fabtech, Kore , and Pure performance. My budget is $1800.00 which kit do you guys recommend.

So i have narrowed it down to these kits which is best? :banghead:

1. Pure performance Xfactor system with prodigy 2.0 shocks.

2. Fabtech 4.5'' kit with dirt logic smooth bodies.

3. Kore performance Recon series not sure if this is a 4'' or not though.

This is my daily driver occasionally taken off road.
Thanks in advance.
 

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2. Fabtech 4.5'' kit with dirt logic smooth bodies
I ran this kit for about two years

Eveything fit and installed nicely

However, the coils are very harsh

The DL shocks are a pure waste of money......all four of mine rusted out in 6 months, 3/4 leaked and they all needed rebuilds

The DL shocks are JUNK
 

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pure's setup will be the best out them three. i have kore coils and 5100's now, and i didnt loose any ride comfort, however i didnt gain much either.
 

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i have the pure x-factor 4" kit. (was a b day present). also, i had a carli kit on my 2nd gen...

bottom line: go with carli or thuren. if your honestly looking at the prodigy 2.0's on an x-factor then for the same ball park price you can get a carli starter kit with torsion sway bar and carli track bar.

there will be no comparison AT ALL!! carli wins it hands down. paul aka rhinopkc can give you the details but price comparison between the 2 should be maybe 200 bucks or so.

1 inch of lift shouldnt be a deal breaker. its hardly noticable but the ride quality is much much better! youll have to watch for backspacing on both kits anyway unless down the road your willing to upgrade control arms.
 

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Idk about Carli winning it hands down. Depends on what u r lookn for. But i know what u mean!!
 
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between the options he gave us it definately would..

id love to root for thuren as well but its hard when he's 6 months behind on orders and doesnt have any stocked items..

although i am pretty excited about dons new year resolution. hes been pretty good about posting updayes on facebook when he gets batches of product in. just in the past week he had a whole mess of control arms and entire pallets of coils.

p.s. Quit breakin' $H!T and maybe he will have time to make products for the rest of us! LOL. stop picking fights with boulders!
 

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Well its a lot easier to stock up on parts when u hav the want to be bigger as a company or corporation and hav investors and what not, more man power more over head more etc. Some times ppl are just comfortable / content with what they do and how they do it. They both hav gr8 customer service just in different ways. With carli u get that "text book "customer service, everything on point type deal and on thurens end u get that old fashion personable experience from the ninja himself. Im sure one can get sage on phone but not to talk about why a track bar bushing is clunkn and what not. It would hav to b something like oh idk " i twisted an axle bcuz ......" :p
 

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I decided to go with the icon 4.5 kit stage 1. After extensive research I thinks it's the best bang for my buck what do you guys think? It's more than I was planning on spending but I think it's more refined than the ones I mentioned feel free to chime in if you have personal experience with icon. I like carli but I want more than 3 but less than 6 inches of lift as I want to run 35s lol. Plus I have rode an 07 truck that had the back country kit can't afford another 1k.


I should have mentioned I have carli track bar,ball joints and torsion sway bar currently installed I also ordered sulastic shackles.
 

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I decided to go with the icon 4.5 kit stage 1. After extensive research I thinks it's the best bang for my buck what do you guys think? It's more than I was planning on spending but I think it's more refined than the ones I mentioned feel free to chime in if you have personal experience with icon. I like carli but I want more than 3 but less than 6 inches of lift as I want to run 35s lol. Plus I have rode an 07 truck that had the back country kit can't afford another 1k.


I should have mentioned I have carli track bar,ball joints and torsion sway bar currently installed I also ordered sulastic shackles.
Based on your request for the truck to ride smoother than stock I would suggest sticking with a 3" kit or going long arm if going 4" or taller. Although the Pure kits are the best riding 4" systems out there the increased angle of the arms hurt the ride over say a 2.5-3" system. Pure now offers a 4" long arm that will ride great without having to go up to a 6" lift to get a long arm setup as well.

As far as going with Icon they are about as far out from being a Dodge specialist as they can get. It's like they added Dodge stuff just to round out their lineup and have another channel to send their shocks down. For the price of their 4.5" Stage 1 kit you can do a Pure 4" X-factor with some Fox 2.0 IFP's, a track bar and still have some money left over. I am amazed that the Stage 1 kits retails for over $2500 and doesn't come with a track bar, sway bar links, or anything other than lift blocks for the rear.

I would suggest a little more research.:S:
 

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Based on your request for the truck to ride smoother than stock I would suggest sticking with a 3" kit or going long arm if going 4" or taller. Although the Pure kits are the best riding 4" systems out there the increased angle of the arms hurt the ride over say a 2.5-3" system. Pure now offers a 4" long arm that will ride great without having to go up to a 6" lift to get a long arm setup as well.

As far as going with Icon they are about as far out from being a Dodge specialist as they can get. It's like they added Dodge stuff just to round out their lineup and have another channel to send their shocks down. For the price of their 4.5" Stage 1 kit you can do a Pure 4" X-factor with some Fox 2.0 IFP's, a track bar and still have some money left over. I am amazed that the Stage 1 kits retails for over $2500 and doesn't come with a track bar, sway bar links, or anything other than lift blocks for the rear.

I would suggest a little more research.:S:
I was told by the dealer which happens to carry icon and pure that icon was worth the extra money they have been around for far longer than pure? He told me the icon would ride a tad bit smoother than pure. I had a conversation with Dom from thuren a while back he advised me against the fox Ifp 2.0 told me they came with a generic tune that wasn't optimal for the dodge. Icon states on there site plus a call I made to verify that there kit has the shocks tuned for my application ? far as I can see there kit brings the same components as pure and it does bring the sway bar end links. The price I'm looking at for the icon is $2100 that's only about $150 more than the pure with the prodigy 2.0 shocks. Now based on "icons experience" I can't verify this but they seem to be a solid company. In the market I would assume there shocks are higher quality than pure prodigy?

Now the reason I'm in this whole debacle is because I need new control arms naturally I went straight to Carli which cost $700 then I came to the conclusion that I might as well up grade the whole suspension I originally wanted the carli commuter kit but 2600+700 for control arms is way over my budget. So i figured a lift kit that brought it all would be a good alternative. Icon or pures control arms must not be as good as Carlis but they must be an upgrade from stock for sure? Sorry. For the long post by the way.
 

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I don't know the icon line up but if the pure is a long arm kit and the icon is short arm then the pure is going to ride better because of the better angles of the long arm. Plain and simple.
 

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If you are looking to go over 4" of lift, we would definitely recommend you look long arm. There is also a big difference in ride quality between 3" of lift and 4" of lift on a short arm system for sure. Keep that in mind. Anything above 4" of lift on a short arm system rides really rough. Long arms will be no comparison....

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If you are looking to go over 4" of lift, we would definitely recommend you look long arm. There is also a big difference in ride quality between 3" of lift and 4" of lift on a short arm system for sure. Keep that in mind. Anything above 4" of lift on a short arm system rides really rough. Long arms will be no comparison....

JP

I guess im going to have to learn from experience. I have called 12 shops had some long conversations and 9 said short arm is ok for anything 4.5" or less. One of those was you guys I asked the same question and was told by your rep that for daily driving and the 10 mile dirt road I take to work which has holes about 3-5" deep 2ft wide about average a long arm kit wouldnt be such massive difference in ride smoothness to justify another $1k. Now here is the million dollar question will a 4" short arm ride better than my stock suspension? To me it doesnt matter if its going to ride 15% better would be great what im trying to avoid is the ride being worse than it is now. I live in south Florida so my offroad is 80% consisting of slow max speed 25mph sand/mud tight trails surround by pine trees I dont need high speed offroad performance. When I called your company the rep told me and I quote "long arms are for situations that require more articulation such as high speed offroad when hitting jumps and rockcrawling". Two things that dont apply to my situation.
 

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IMO it rides about the same as stock but has more of a firm controlled feeling and not so much the jarring you get from the stock suspension. i think alot of the "less jarring" plays in part due to the end links allowing more movement from the swar bar connection. the bilstein 5100 are definately more firm but in a good way as it quickly absorbs bumps/ speed bumps/ and ruts in a quicker rebound fashion versus the stock shocks (with little to no resistance to bumps) basically what im getting at is the bilstein reacts much more efficiently than the stock shocks that tend to full stroke on impact and have an almost retarded rebound that takes forever to catch up.
 

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I guess im going to have to learn from experience. I have called 12 shops had some long conversations and 9 said short arm is ok for anything 4.5" or less. One of those was you guys I asked the same question and was told by your rep that for daily driving and the 10 mile dirt road I take to work which has holes about 3-5" deep 2ft wide about average a long arm kit wouldnt be such massive difference in ride smoothness to justify another $1k. Now here is the million dollar question will a 4" short arm ride better than my stock suspension? To me it doesnt matter if its going to ride 15% better would be great what im trying to avoid is the ride being worse than it is now. I live in south Florida so my offroad is 80% consisting of slow max speed 25mph sand/mud tight trails surround by pine trees I dont need high speed offroad performance. When I called your company the rep told me and I quote "long arms are for situations that require more articulation such as high speed offroad when hitting jumps and rockcrawling". Two things that dont apply to my situation.
What tires and wheels are you going to be running? Our 4" Triple Threat System was voted best bang for your buck in performance Ram HD suspension, but that being said - of course we do like the long arm products that we just came out with much better and do find them better in all conditions. But, we know everyone is on a particular budget of some sort. Our 4" short arm systems are among the best in their class in the industry.

Florida is a little more forgiving then some of our environments for sure. You should be fine as long as you are not running around on 22's with 60 psi in your 35's...

JP
 
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