[Cowboy303]

What's a reasonable price for a 97 4x4 5spd 3500 eclb?

1997 Dodge Ram Cummins 3500 - Dually - 4x4 - Manual
75% Tire tread
208,xxx miles
Brush Guard
Needs Injector pump and windshield
Rust is minimal and paint is good

What sounds like a good price for the truck?
I know the IP may not be bad but what if it is?

Thanks guys I used the search function and all I got was 24v

OK one more thing. what goes bad on IPs and what kills them?
I know the basic stuff that can go wrong, low fuel pressure, shut off solenoid, air lock, and that type thing but don't know what can go wrong on the IP that you would have to rebuild/replace?

Thanks guys

 

[drunk on diesel]

probably doesn't need an injection pump... probably misdiagnosed

 

[9612vinva]

I would offer 2000 less then he is selling or only pay 2000 for it...

 

[Cowboy303]

he had it up for $4000

 

[9612vinva]

Now that is crazy!!

Offer 2000.....

 

[GAmes]

........ don't know what can go wrong on the IP that you would have to rebuild/replace?

At about 750k I had oil leaking from the seal on top where the rod sticks out. Replacing the rod and seal was all that needed to be done, all the fuel lubed parts were good (and still working now).

Normally, dirt is the biggest killer of close tolerance parts, so if the owner used substandard filters there could be a problem. However, gauging by the numbskiull actions of some of the members who post problems here, I think the biggest killer of injection pumps is operator error. I'm talking about those who use pliers to remove the DV holders, the ones who swap DVs with no real knowledge of how DVs work and how clean the environment has to be, that sort of thing. I am also of the belief that liquids that were not designed to be burned by a diesel engine (ATF and WMO especially) will do more harm than good.

If the owner has really managed to ruin the IP with only 208k on the clock, there is no telling what the rest of the engine is like.

 

[pepsi71ocean]

At about 750k I had oil leaking from the seal on top where the rod sticks out. Replacing the rod and seal was all that needed to be done, all the fuel lubed parts were good (and still working now).

Normally, dirt is the biggest killer of close tolerance parts, so if the owner used substandard filters there could be a problem. However, gauging by the numbskiull actions of some of the members who post problems here, I think the biggest killer of injection pumps is operator error. I'm talking about those who use pliers to remove the DV holders, the ones who swap DVs with no real knowledge of how DVs work and how clean the environment has to be, that sort of thing. I am also of the belief that liquids that were not designed to be burned by a diesel engine (ATF and WMO especially) will do more harm than good.

If the owner has really managed to ruin the IP with only 208k on the clock, there is no telling what the rest of the engine is like.

the only additive i add to my tank is 2 stroke oil, the rest is meant to be burned in a waste oil heater.

 

[levi_plummer]

I know 160/175 pumps could stick plungers and i am sure if you ran a newer pump for two long the same problem could happen. He could have dropped something in the pump and ruined the governor, leaking oil. Juat about anything.

 

[GAmes]

I know 160/175 pumps could stick plungers and i am sure if you ran a newer pump for two long the same problem could happen.

I frequent 3 different forums and have never heard of a 215 pump fail with sticking plungers.

 

[BigBad12V]

I would almost bet money that it was misdiagnosed. Not saying you can't kill a p-pump...but with any type of maintenance, changing fuel filters, etc...they rarely just die.


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[drunk on diesel]

I bought a '98 that needed an injection pump...

I replaced the lines between the hard lines on the body and the engine, ditched the strainer/heater, primed the system, and fired it up and sold the truck for $2500 more than I paid for it

 

[mthomp1]

There's a '96 12 valve in a salvage yard here. I was told by the guy who runs the place that the owner said that it just shut off and wouldn't start again, so he got rid of it. He also said that a few of his guys were playing around with the lift pump one day and got it running. If you have a chance to go over the truck, I'd turn it over and see if anything comes out of the injector lines. Also try priming the lift pump.

 

[Cowboy303]

Thank you all for the info.

I would almost bet money that it was misdiagnosed. Not saying you can't kill a p-pump...but with any type of maintenance, changing fuel filters, etc...they rarely just die.

Thank you, that's what I wanted to hear.

There's a '96 12 valve in a salvage yard here. I was told by the guy who runs the place that the owner said that it just shut off and wouldn't start again, so he got rid of it. He also said that a few of his guys were playing around with the lift pump one day and got it running. If you have a chance to go over the truck, I'd turn it over and see if anything comes out of the injector lines. Also try priming the lift pump.

You bet! There's no way I'm going to just replace it, I'll atleast get a fuel pressure gauge in there and check the Shut off solenoid, crack the injectors to make sure there getting fuel, check timing, the whole shubang.

I frequent 3 different forums and have never heard of a 215 pump fail with sticking plungers.

Thank you! I was woundering how often it happens to the 215s. :thumbsup:
And thank you for taking the time to make your first post on this thread.

I would offer 2000 less then he is selling or only pay 2000 for it...

Thank you for the price range!

 

[levi_plummer]

I frequent 3 different forums and have never heard of a 215 pump fail with sticking plungers.

Wow you must read alot! From now on i will ask you every question i have since you read it all. He ask'd so i gave him scenarios, beleive it or not anything possible. I have scene alot of things i have never read about believe it or not.

 

[GAmes]

Wow you must read alot! From now on i will ask you every question i have since you read it all.

Go ahead. If it is about a 12 valve I can probably answer it. I didn't put a cumulative 1 million plus on two 12 valves without doing a lot of reading.

Have YOU "scene" [sic] a 215 pump with sticking plungers?

 

[nlneilson]

In So. Calif. $4k would be a good deal with the 5spd.

208k mi is just getting broke in. If it is stock and well maintained it could go a million or more.

 

[country_hick]

Wow you must read alot! From now on i will ask you every question i have since you read it all. He ask'd so i gave him scenarios, beleive it or not anything possible. I have scene alot of things i have never read about believe it or not.

GAmes and illflem are the top 2 people on here I would listen to. I have learned a lot from both of them. There are a few others who know a lot about these trucks also.

No one has seen or heard about everything that could happen. There will always be some oddball thing that happens to someone who is unlucky. Having said that, I listen to those who have the knowledge and do not insult them. After ll, someday I may need to ask them for help myself.

 

[illflem]

I frequent 3 different forums and have never heard of a 215 pump fail with sticking plungers.

I never come across a sticking 215 in all my time either.
Makes sense that Bosch would figure out they have a problem.
My '95 had the sticking plunger problem with less than 20k on the odo, dealer mechanics were well aware of the problem then.

 

[GAmes]

There will always be some oddball thing that happens to someone who is unlucky.

You got that right, lol. I once argued that engine oil could not transfer from the vacuum pump to the power steering pump. Logically, it would drip out the hole between the pumps if the seal goes bad. That ONE time, it proved to be true.

Thanks for the flowers.

 

[illflem]

There will always be some oddball thing that happens to someone who is unlucky.

In my experience most of the oddball problems are owner induced.