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Hey folks, let's beat another dead horse!

Perhaps you can help me with my 2004.5 QCLB SLT (100% stock) which I purchased in May 2014. Here is a video I made of the issue as it was in October.

Note that all five episodes shown say "no wait to start" - this means put the key in the hole and turn - not waiting even for the pump. Watch the fifth, and worst example in this video if you are so inclined - this is a common amount of smoke. Heck, while you're at it, why not listen to the sounds and tell me what else you might think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dV15lhDsaI

When I first acquired the truck, it sometimes in the AM would have a very rough idle for about five seconds, then would smooth out and run fine. But it did not smoke! In later June, I took it to the lake during what turned out to be a very wet weekend, drove it on some washboard roads, and while there, I noticed that, because the grid heater would come on, if I cycled the key a couple of times (grid heater twice) the rough idle itself would not occur.

After coming home, and the next AM, it started with a lot of smoking. A lot - perhaps twice as much as the fifth example in the video. Not knowing better, I took it out (rather than shutting it down to investigate, that is) and when I goosed the skinny on the next arterial, I noticed I'd left a huge gray/white cloud behind me.

I thereafter began the fuel treatments - starting with Power Service - I've tried Seafoam in the filter container, new filter (baldwin) - and right now am giving Stanadyne Performance a whirl (mostly for the anti-gel capability). I've perhaps gone through several tanks of Power Service, and a couple with added 2-smoke.

The smoking's down to about what the video shows. One thing, however, is the rough start on idle has been much reduced since this cloud incident - I get a slightly rough start every once in awhile and when that happens, I know I've got a bit more smoke coming out than the other times.

Now that it's been colder, I've observed that when the grid heater is allowed to cycle (because it will) prior to starting, there's no white smoke, just a bit of muddling gray/black that might come out at first. But! That's not always the case. If I cycle the grid heater, and the start is a bit rough, then it smokes. (could be a fuel issue). I've been buying my fuel from brand new stations (new tanks) or Chevron and the like - no crap shops.

One theory I have is that while bouncing on the washboard roads, I shook something loose and it made it through the filter.

One mechanic I showed the video to says that I may not be using the truck enough to allow the water to remain dissolved in the fuel that's in the filter container (it is my new hobby toy I rarely put a load onto that I know will be spendy). He says the smoke may be just water.

I did rent an 8-ton excavator about a week prior to these videos and gave the truck a nice workout hauling it up some hills at WOT. Truck handled it fine. Very little smoke even when it was grunting its hardest.

When I gun the truck, I get a grayish "cloud" if not fully warm, or a slightly visible black trail when its at operating temp - but only if I am sort of gunning it from what I'd guess is a low boost - but if I gun it after the turbo's spooled up, no gray cloud.

Also, oil level is static as is the coolant level. Hasn't changed in the nearly four thousand miles since I bought the truck. I've detected no diesel in the oil. I plan to do a change real soon and get an analysis and put on my fumoto valve.

Perhaps one of you can give me some pointers on what to try - in whatever order. I've read a lot of stuff here about what else could be causing this problem so I'd like to try those first.

Please help - because I just don't have the money for new injectors right now!

Thank you!
 

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Mine was doing same thing injectors all tested good , and no codes ! I also only run mine maybe two days a week so maybe the mechanic about the water was right !


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That was literally the best white smoke video I've seen. The video was crisp, in focus, and you even had 1080p to boot. 10/10 on quality for that one.

About the smoke... I replaced my injectors by the time they started smoking about that bad in what I considered "not that cold" temperatures. For what it's worth.
 

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That was literally the best white smoke video I've seen. The video was crisp, in focus, and you even had 1080p to boot. 10/10 on quality for that one.

About the smoke... I replaced my injectors by the time they started smoking about that bad in what I considered "not that cold" temperatures. For what it's worth.
Thanks, man. I didn't realize I'd created something nice. I use an old Sony NEX-5 for my video. I dabble in photography - I'd give you a link to my website but that would possibly violate some self-promotion rule.

Today, my truck was started on a 34 degree evening - after having sat through four nights of overnight temps of about 19. I've got a block heater running, too, one-half hour on, one hour off, repeating. When starting, I leaned into the truck, turned the key and waited, but before the grid heater could've had done anything much at all, I decided to just crank it. The truck started quite nicely, I run around and the smoke amount was like the first episode on my video. Apparently it's not getting worse. But I suspect it's a leaky injector. Gonna have to figure out what to do. I am remodeling, at this time, so its kind of a bother.

My lift pump seems reliable though - the video starts really are super fast starts - insert'n turn.
 

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Thanks, man. I didn't realize I'd created something nice. I use an old Sony NEX-5 for my video. I dabble in photography - I'd give you a link to my website but that would possibly violate some self-promotion rule.

Today, my truck was started on a 34 degree evening - after having sat through four nights of overnight temps of about 19. I've got a block heater running, too, one-half hour on, one hour off, repeating. When starting, I leaned into the truck, turned the key and waited, but before the grid heater could've had done anything much at all, I decided to just crank it. The truck started quite nicely, I run around and the smoke amount was like the first episode on my video. Apparently it's not getting worse. But I suspect it's a leaky injector. Gonna have to figure out what to do. I am remodeling, at this time, so its kind of a bother.

My lift pump seems reliable though - the video noes really are super fast starts.
Maybe my truck will explode into flames one day, but I've always just plugged in the block heater and left it all night. Hell, I'd come home from work, plug it in, and unplug it right before I left in the morning.
 

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Try retorquing the connector tube nuts. My truck which is also an 04.5 was doing this along with an extended slow crank (batteries very weak), and I found almost all the tube nuts were not torqued to spec. I was able to break them loose easily with a wrench so I put a socket and torque wrench on them and tightened them about 1/4 turn from where they were. I just did this yesterday so I don't know if it's "fixed" yet but I'm keeping my fingers crossed as I can't afford injectors either.
 

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Try retorquing the connector tube nuts. My truck which is also an 04.5 was doing this along with an extended slow crank (batteries very weak), and I found almost all the tube nuts were not torqued to spec. I was able to break them loose easily with a wrench so I put a socket and torque wrench on them and tightened them about 1/4 turn from where they were. I just did this yesterday so I don't know if it's "fixed" yet but I'm keeping my fingers crossed as I can't afford injectors either.
The truck quit smoking after you tightened them, though?
 

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Maybe my truck will explode into flames one day, but I've always just plugged in the block heater and left it all night. Hell, I'd come home from work, plug it in, and unplug it right before I left in the morning.
I cycle the block heater so I don't blow 750watts continuous. Just enough to keep temperatures elevated but not to hit my electric bill too hard! I don't drive every day so the timer helps regulate that as well. Before I bought the timer, the truck was heated night/day and didn't change the start-up smoke content much if at all.

I should add my truck smokes in 70+ degree temps just the same.
 

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The truck quit smoking after you tightened them, though?
I don't know yet. It only seemed to smoke and crank slower if it sat a few days. If driven every day it was fine.
 

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Location? How cold is it? Grid heater functioning for sure always?
 

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What fuel filtration on the truck? Stock OEM with the 7 or 10 micron stock filter and over 75k miles with those symtoms? =s time for new injectors. Many of the stock filters on the market are worthless for stopping water.
If you don't drain the water filter every tank fill, filter is worthless.

First thing, put a PF7977 Baldwin in the stock OEM filter housing now. Get a 2 unit water separator and 2>3 micron large commercial aftermarket filter system on it ASAP. Donaldson, CAT, Cummins, Baldwin filters.

The kerosene #1 diesel tank farms add to #2 to make winter low temp diesel is a strong solvent, flushes all the crud and dirt out of the tank farm tanks, lines, truck fill rack equipment and the retail station station tanks/lines/pumps. Picks up the dirt/crud/water and holds it in suspension.
Corrodes and wears out the micron level metals machining tolerances in HPCR injectors. Corrodes and rust pits the inside of connector tubes, rust flakes off and goes into the injectors.

Far less costly than rebuilding a Cummins at 1/2 normal life span. 1 leaking injector can destroy on of these tough engines in a few hundred miles. $2500 now vs $5000>$10,000 later

Before it's driven again, get an oil lab test kit and pull an engine oil sample. Send back to lab, requesting test for fuel in oil contamination percent. If you're running stock fueling with no boy toy programmer, >5% =s new injectors now. 3>4% =s injectors soon.
$25 test can save your engine and wallet from leaking injector rape.
 

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Broaner, lately its in the 30s - 2000f altitude - pretty sure grid heater functions - it sure dims the lights. No issues starting - sometimes an extra crank - but usually my diesel easily starts - springs to life. Idles rough for a couple of seconds sometimes, though, but haven't put my finger on when it does or not.

Tonight, went to get a load of drywall, let the grid heater cycle, and it smoked pretty much like the first video. No block heater - sat maybe 48 hours - 28 degree F lows.

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I've got the blackstone bottle now - if I could get to the oil easily I'd do it but I've got to change the oil anyway - its at nearly 4K. (My first change). I'd buy the blackstone extractor but I've heard one can't thread the tube past a restriction in the cummins oil dipstick tube. So I've got a fumoto valve in hand.

The fuel filter is the Baldwin , put it in a couple of months ago - have drained the filter container - didn't change anything with respect to smoking, really.

Damn, I hope I don't end up wishing I'd bought the warranty. ($2700 / 2yrs)
 

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Fuel filtration upgrades such at the 5 micron water separator Baldwin only make good injectors last longer. Won't raise the dead not help the dying or stop white raw diesel smoking.

Leaking nozzles don't cause cold start issues until they wear and leak so much that the HPCR fuel system can't bring the crank PSI up above 4,000 psi

Raw liquid unatomized diesel in the cylinders is poison to a Cummins.

Be very glad you did NOT buy the extended warranty. The warranty company decides what injectors you get, the cheapest shhittee out there, Mexican "reconditioned taco crap"
 

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Keep us updated on this issue! My truck has been acting like this for the past 2 years... I would like to know how you make out.
 

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Bad piston rings. Get a leak down test to confirm, sorry man.
Edit: if you're due for an oil change drain the oil and check for metal on the drain plug. If you don't have a magnetic drain plug I would strongly recommend getting one.
 

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Bad piston rings. Get a leak down test to confirm, sorry man.
Edit: if you're due for an oil change drain the oil and check for metal on the drain plug. If you don't have a magnetic drain plug I would strongly recommend getting one.
Scary idea. I'd call that an insurance problem. So what are the signs of leak down? I have no discernible blow-by. Went from rough idle at start to smoothed out idle at start but with some smoke. I hope you are wrong!! Going to get to the oil real soon now.

Oh yeah - maybe I didn't mention it, but this problem happens only after its been sitting awhile - and how long it's been since operating temp - so if its been a few hours since it ran it doesn't smoke. If I go someplace close and get it about 175 degrees and then sit it for four hours, it'll smoke a little bit when I restart if it's a bit cool out.
 

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I would say that you have at least one bad injector. My truck did the same thing. It got worse. I then bit the bullet and installed new injectors. It runs clean now. No smoke at all. It's been in the 20's around hear.
When I pulled the injectors I pulled number one first. It was washed out. All the others had carbon build up on them. I suppose that is how you can tell which is the bad one.
Good luck. I wouldn't run it too long like that you are most likely washing out your rings.
 

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Leak down test will show if your piston rings hold pressure or not. Try having some one rev it up to 2000RPM while you watch the oil fill hole and look for smoke. Mine had no blow by at idle but when i did as previously stated it had an extremely faint amount of smoke would show up. I had similar issues as your truck but the idle wasn't as choppy. Ended up being bad number 1 ring.
Edit: consider having your oil sampled to see if the iron levels are high.
 

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Update:

Oil sample sent off! I now need to buy a magnet and poke around in the oil but didn't see anything like broken rings flowing by ...

The truth shall reveal itself!
 
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