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The toyo's run about 303.00 a tire at a local dealer, the Nokian run about 245.00 on line, need some opinions Pleas
 

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What size? I wouldnt go 8 ply if you can help it.
 

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Thats a pretty decent price for the toyo's, if your spending $1000 you might as well speng $1200 and get the best.
 

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Another suggestion would be the Firestone Destination MT's...great reviews on Tire Rack and good price, $235.00. They are LT315/70/17 but are load range D not E's.
 

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just ordered a set of Kumho rd venture MTs. A buddy has them on his trk has bout 35000 on then now. still good tread on them. hope i get the same wear. plus side they are E rated. they look as good as Toyo MT IMO.
 

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Another suggestion would be the Firestone Destination MT's...great reviews on Tire Rack and good price, $235.00. They are LT315/70/17 but are load range D not E's.
how do you find the wear on the firestones? i am thinking of getting the destinatin AT's in an E rating, dealer screwed up and have a set of D's now, but I am thinking of waiting another week to get the AT in an E 10 ply LT315/70/R17.
 

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That is a matter of opinion.
I agree. You'd have to pay me to run another set of Toyo MT's they are absolute garbage. They are louder then most others just as aggressive, and couldn't get traction on ice or snow to save their life. Not to mention the insane price.

Cooper discovery SST or Nitto mud grapplers are far superior tires :thumbsup:
 

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I guess its going to depend on what type of terrain you're going to see. The Toyo MTs are one of the best MTs out there in many opinions.

They have a super thick sidewall to resist punctures, they offer great traction in dirt, mud and rocks. They are one of the longer lasting/higher mileage mud tires and in comparison to BFG MTs and multiple sets of differnt Interco tires Ive run they are way more quiet. They might suck in the snow and Ice but in the deserts of Southern California I never saw any. I will say they are not the best in sand but most mudders dont do well there since they just dig. They are also HEAVY because of the thick sidewalls and 10plys. I know tons of guys that run them and love them I just spend too much time in the sand and am better off with an AT. They are a darn good looking tire though.

And Toyos are the higher end brand of Nitto, they are both owned by the same parent company and Nitto even adoped a lot of the technology from the Toyo MTs in their new Trail Grappler MTs.
 

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MUD GRAPPLERS! :headbang:
 

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I guess its going to depend on what type of terrain you're going to see. The Toyo MTs are one of the best MTs out there in many opinions.

They have a super thick sidewall to resist punctures, they offer great traction in dirt, mud and rocks. They are one of the longer lasting/higher mileage mud tires and in comparison to BFG MTs and multiple sets of differnt Interco tires Ive run they are way more quiet. They might suck in the snow and Ice but in the deserts of Southern California I never saw any. I will say they are not the best in sand but most mudders dont do well there since they just dig. They are also HEAVY because of the thick sidewalls and 10plys. I know tons of guys that run them and love them I just spend too much time in the sand and am better off with an AT. They are a darn good looking tire though.

And Toyos are the higher end brand of Nitto, they are both owned by the same parent company and Nitto even adoped a lot of the technology from the Toyo MTs in their new Trail Grappler MTs.

I can't think of many ways they are similar. The sidewall, tread pattern everything is completely different. The mud grapplers are a TON cheaper, snow and ice traction is absolutely no comparision. I never did test the Toyo's out in the mud, but I won't hold my breath. I am sure Mickey Thompson Baja claws are far better. The toyos probably will last the longest, but so do BFG AT's and I won't run them either. I also noticed on my Toyo's the lugs are ripping and seperating a bit, just like another set of MT's I had, i'm assuming because of poor material. My nitto mud grapplers never did this. The only thing Toyo MT's have on Nitto mud grapplers are noise, nittos ain't quiet, but they make up for it when you need the traction.

I know that a ton of people love the Toyo MT's, I can't think of why. Cooper SST are pretty similar, and a lot quieter and cheaper, and better traction. With my Toyo's I had no problem fishtailing my rear end around corners when it's just wet out, if I didn't know better I would sware I am driving with bald tires since i've had them.

I've had hancook dynapro's, MT baja claws, cooper SST, and nitto mud grapplers and every single one I would run again, they are all better they Toyo's IMO.
 

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I agree. You'd have to pay me to run another set of Toyo MT's they are absolute garbage. They are louder then most others just as aggressive, and couldn't get traction on ice or snow to save their life. Not to mention the insane price.

Cooper discovery SST or Nitto mud grapplers are far superior tires :thumbsup:
idk about that. I had nitto mud grapplers before my toyos and I hated them. they are the worst mud tire I have ever used on the street. they did great off road but they were lousy on road. and u really think the toyos r louder than the nittos ? no way! I love how quiet my toyos are. my grandpa even got some because he couldn't beleive how quiet they were lol. I have 28000 on my set now and will be getting them again! and I thought they did great in the snow last winter.
 

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idk about that. I had nitto mud grapplers before my toyos and I hated them. they are the worst mud tire I have ever used on the street. they did great off road but they were lousy on road. and u really think the toyos r louder than the nittos ? no way! I love how quiet my toyos are. my grandpa even got some because he couldn't beleive how quiet they were lol. I have 28000 on my set now and will be getting them again! and I thought they did great in the snow last winter.
I never said the toyo's are louder they aren't. But they are nothing quiet either, Cooper SST for one are a lot quieter. My truck won't get traction to save it's life with the toyos. I have my front driveshaft out and I won't drive with the toyos again with a drop of ice or snow on the road, because the rear end won't stay planted, even though there is weight in the box, they are absolutely terrible, I would rather use bald tires, because then I wouldn't except anything from them :lol4: I am going back to mud grapplers, and I will never need 4wd in the city again.
 

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I can't think of many ways they are similar. The sidewall, tread pattern everything is completely different.
Have you looked at the trial grapplers? They do look very similar
 

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http://www.pacmoto.com/Images/toyo tires/toyo.tires.open.country.mt.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6d2J4H20AN8/SlifJF47oYI/AAAAAAAAFtM/txRUNEem7Ec/s400/Baja+Racing+News+Nitto+Trail+Grappler+M+T.jpg

I can see some similarities :confused013: and then there's in the internal design you cant see.

Nitto tires should be less expensive since they are the "lesser" sister company. Is the extra price of the Toyo premium name worth it?...depends on who you talk to.

I wouldnt run BFG ATs either since they dont offer that great of offroad traction and there sidewalls are a joke. Infact their weak side walls are a major contributor to death wobble. I will say the Toyos MTs are rugged as hell. I ran over many sharp rocks and on a couple occasions pulled nails out of the tread. One nail was a good 4 inches and went directly into the top of the tread and bent at a 90* angle after only piercing a couple ply then cut through the sides of 2 more tread. Pulled the nail out and never had a leak.

Wet traction isnt great but I cant say its much better with my Yoko ATS. The torque of a diesel can break the rearend loose with pretty much any tire in the rain.

Yes there is a lot of hype around the Toyo MTs and yes they do cost more than most but there is no denying they are a quality tire. If they worked better in sand I would be running them now.
 

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I love my open country mt's, they get around great. Can't beat the 10 ply sidewall with the e load rating. Ever MT will hum on the highway, if you don't like it, don't buy any MT.
 

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ya I'm tired of ppl saying that the toyos don't get good hook up in the rain. u show me a tire that will hook up good when there under a truck bed with as much torque as our trucks have...
 

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i love my toyo mt's they are by far the best tire i have ever run on any of my trucks and have had them on the last 2 and will be buying another set when mine wear out
 
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