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I tried searching on google to find out if there is a stock intake tube air deflector in the lower half of the stock tube but... it assumes I want a CAI. Tried everything I know but ended up with the same search results.

Does the stock intake tube have the deflector in the lower part of the tube just prior to the turbo?
 

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Yeah, the 5.9 has 2 pieces. Was curious if they made any changes to the design. It does come apart in 3 sections though so the lower air deflector must stay behind then
 

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It’s called a turning vane and they improve air flow in elbows.
Thanks... That got me a search that found my answer ... It is different than the 3rd gen which makes me wonder why they reduced the blade count compared to the 5.9

 

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The fat part is an attenuater and the divided center helps straighten the air flow and reduce turbulence... all common things in commercial HVAC. I never built a duct elbow w/o turning vanes. They cut the resistance of a square elbow in half.
Reduced blades on the compressor wheel?
 

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not sure about the comp wheel... some background...

back in 2015 in the winter I tossed on the HTT turbo and set tuning back to stock to get a before and after feel of it. right off the bat it felt like a 25~30 hp/tq bump with no changes other then the turbo & afe exhaust manifold. Was running the AFE torque tube all the way up till about 2 months back where someone motivated me to put back on the OEM intake tube. That tube brought a very noticeable bump in bottom end torque. It has the turning vanes in it, 3 IIRC. It is a separate piece that sits in the lower hose. I was trying to see what the 6.7 setup looked like. The inside of the 3rd gen one has a dimpled cross setup the length of the silencer. I know the dimples are there to keep flow attached thru that section as it feeds the turning vanes at the bottom. Those vanes are helping to relieve the high pressure that occurs on the outside of the radius of the bend. Makes total sense to me why it is in there along with that center section mentioned earlier.

Here is a pic that I came across a while back while working on another truck I have (dakota 4.7) which shows the high pressure zone within the intake tube.



When I did the v4.1 of the stock air box mod, it was a very noticeable bump. Then adding stock intake tube back in it was another bump. I plan to dial it back further in an effort to extract more mpg's out of it (provided I keep my foot out of it with the air box mod being enabled... that is an awesome mod.) while bringing power back down to what I need on a daily basis. The goal is to trim duration further and tweek timing to keep it in the sweet spot while keeping the "tow" zone full fat & happy.

I am always keeping an eye out for area's to extract extra from.
 

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I checked the static at the turbo inlet and my Bully Dog 4" tube had 18", just in that tube. Then I made turning vanes in the lower end and cut the static to 10". Sooo, turning vanes also improve radiused elbows.
 

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Yes, I recall reading about that work in a previous post. Ment to ask you if you ever pursued it further to see if you could drop it even more? (length, shape etc) How many vanes did you install?

If I had a fatter wallet and the skills I'd go make my own. One thing that has piqued my interest to experiment with was to use something similar to an expansion chamber in the center section of the intake tube. Have no idea what to expect if I ever got one done, it would be a science experiment for me. Where I get that from is the ATS Arcflo. It has a small chamber before dumping into the grid heater. I assume it might be to make the flow mor laminar as it enters the grid heater. The performance of the Arcflo sold me on it, went back to stock for a reality check and planned on leaving the stocker on there for a week... it made it 2 days.

Any thoughts on that?
 

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I only had enough ambition to make two vanes.... and the results were good. I have plenty of scrap metal and I weld, so it was free! I moved the rt. battery so I had room for my two round elements that I built for my 03... two round elements with a tee in the middle. I just like to tinker! My total static was 36" for the entire stock intake and I cut it exactly in half... 18".
 

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Look at the difference in square elbows, with and without turning vanes. The vanes cut resistance in half.
Many shops build square throat and radius heel elbows and that is ZERO improvement over square throat and square heel elbows.
 

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Hit, control+, several times to enlarge it. The elbow w/o vane is equivalent to 30' of straight duct and the elbow w/vanes is equivalent to 15'. I have several Ductilater and they all show different things on the back of them... fan laws. formulas, etc..
 
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