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Solid Lifters for 2019+

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cumminsturbofreak
Been doing some digging and someone (Wagler) is finally offering a solid roller lifter conversion for 2019+ trucks.

It uses the factory ISB adjustable rockers, but just replaces the internals of the hydraulic lifter with a solid spacer. EDIT: Also uses custom pushrods as 2019 uses different ball on lifter and different length.

Seems like a permanent solution for when the hydraulic lifters go bad.
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EDIT: This post was split moving the coolant talk to its own thread.

StealthDiesel said:



Not sure I would want that anti-rattle assembly to ever fail in the gear train.
KDP all over again. Hopefully it is stronger, thicker, more substantial that it looks.


The engine does sound great.
Running it at 1500 RPM to break in the roller cam and solid roller lifters?

There is for sure a break in procedure for flat tappet cams plus a zinc additive at break in time but I don't recall a break in procedure for roller cams.
Of course my experience is with roller cams in gas engines like my older 5.0L Mustang and various GM LS truck engines.
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Believe me, that scissor isn’t going anywhere. Im more worried about the wear it puts on the crank gear. There were quite the witness marks…

Running it at 1500 rpm to get the truck hot. I’m flushing the coolant.

Rollers don’t require break in.
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quick compare video. 67k miles. it sounds good to me.. any other opinions ;)

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elephantrider said:
quick compare video. 67k miles. it sounds good to me.. any other opinions ;)

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Take a video with door open, point camera at radius arm, and rev slowly up to 2000 RPM.
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This is the difference. The hydraulic noise video is from the buyback 2019, but 2019 2500 had the same noise.
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oh yah the swap def sounds way smoother.
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Wow that sounds brutal my 19 sounds nothing like that thankfully yet
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H3LZSN1P3R said:
Wow that sounds brutal my 19 sounds nothing like that thankfully yet
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That truck only had 6k miles too. They put a new engine and it still made noise. Then got my Red truck used and same thing lol.

I guess I just have some bad luck with those hydraulic roller lifters.🤷🏻‍♂️
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cumminsturbofreak said:
That truck only had 6k miles too. They put a new engine and it still made noise. Then got my Red truck used and same thing lol.

I guess I just have some bad luck with those hydraulic roller lifters.🤷🏻‍♂️
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I hope my luck holds out 😂
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H3LZSN1P3R said:
Wow that sounds brutal my 19 sounds nothing like that thankfully yet
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How many miles on your 2019 engine and what viscosity and type of engine oil do you use?
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StealthDiesel said:
How many miles on your 2019 engine and what viscosity and type of engine oil do you use?
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Shell t6 5w40 changed no earlier than 24k km i have 63k km but they have been hard KM between plowing snow and towing trailers

i have about 1000 drive miles and 350 idle hours
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Ah, I found it. This is what led me to do this huge $3500 repair.

Took video at bank drive-thru. Was getting worse and worse…
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2019 Cummins Ticking

22k miles and hydraulic lifter tick with cam wear.12 new Cummins roller lifters, Wagler solid lifter conversion kit, and a Wagler stage 1 cam fixed this.
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cumminsturbofreak said:
Ah, I found it. This is what led me to do this huge $3500 repair.

Took video at bank drive-thru. Was getting worse and worse…
youtube.com

2019 Cummins Ticking

22k miles and hydraulic lifter tick with cam wear.12 new Cummins roller lifters, Wagler solid lifter conversion kit, and a Wagler stage 1 cam fixed this.
youtube.com youtube.com
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Thats what my CP4 sounded like then got much louder 😂 now with the CP3 its quiet as a mouse
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ahhh sounds like mine 😔 i have to figure out how to load a video on here
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Shock88 said:
ahhh sounds like mine 😔 i have to figure out how to load a video on here
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Post to youtube then link here
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That sounds… pretty bad.😬
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cumminsturbofreak said:
That sounds… pretty bad.😬
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😩 do u think it’s worth it to have the dealership “fix” it if they agree to under warranty? i haven’t heard about any physical differences for a fix other than replace and pray. I’m sending my oil sample out to blackstone tomorrow to hopefully have some more evidence of cam/lifter metals for them. My tick is very random so god knows it won’t make a peep at the dealership appointment.
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😩 do u think it’s worth it to have the dealership “fix” it if they agree to under warranty? i haven’t heard about any physical differences for a fix other than replace and pray. I’m sending my oil sample out to blackstone tomorrow to hopefully have some more evidence of cam/lifter metals for them. My tick is very random so god knows it won’t make a peep at the dealership appointment.
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Best way to check the cam is to pull rockers and pushrods and use a good articulating borescope to look at it.

The dealer is a crapshoot. IMO, it’s best to have an independent shop go to solid lifters as every 2019+ has the same issue.

Take another video under the drivers door and slowly rev up to 2000rpm. If it’s a cam issue, you’ll hear it for sure,
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cumminsturbofreak said:
This is the difference. The hydraulic noise video is from the buyback 2019, but 2019 2500 had the same noise.
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That sounds so much better. The way they should come from the factory like 2018 and earlier.
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cumminsturbofreak said:
Best way to check the cam is to pull rockers and pushrods and use a good articulating borescope to look at it.

The dealer is a crapshoot. IMO, it’s best to have an independent shop go to solid lifters as every 2019+ has the same issue.

Take another video under the drivers door and slowly rev up to 2000rpm. If it’s a cam issue, you’ll hear it for sure,
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hurting ur back sucks, i don’t recommend it… I never had anyone touch my vehicles before, now i can barely get up from a creeper…so i might HAVE to have a good friend or a shop throw some solid lifters in. Thanks for the tips though, uve been a huge help🙏🏼
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