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Solid Lifters for 2019+

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cumminsturbofreak
Been doing some digging and someone (Wagler) is finally offering a solid roller lifter conversion for 2019+ trucks.

It uses the factory ISB adjustable rockers, but just replaces the internals of the hydraulic lifter with a solid spacer. EDIT: Also uses custom pushrods as 2019 uses different ball on lifter and different length.

Seems like a permanent solution for when the hydraulic lifters go bad.
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krashDH
cumminsturbofreak said:
So…

Because I just hate a stock truck so much (and because I have some idle tick), this is now going to be a small (not really) project.

Ordered the very expensive special lifter removal tool from Mopar. Will either rent it out or sell after I’m done.

I am contemplating the Wagler cam as well, but idk if it’s worth it.


And good God these trucks are hard to take part compared to 3rd and 4th gens…No wonder people pull cabs. It’s easier.

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Ah but do you have to cut your frame to get the cam out?? :)

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krashDH said:
Ah but do you have to cut your frame to get the cam out?? :)

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Nope!😀
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cumminsturbofreak said:
So…

Because I just hate a stock truck so much (and because I have some idle tick), this is now going to be a small (not really) project.

Ordered the very expensive special lifter removal tool from Mopar. Will either rent it out or sell after I’m done.

I am contemplating the Wagler cam as well, but idk if it’s worth it.


And good God these trucks are hard to take part compared to 3rd and 4th gens…No wonder people pull cabs. It’s easier.

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I’ll run my 5500 down after you get some experience swapping out yours. :geek:
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Was able to borescope cam with pushrods removed.
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I’m thinking that’s quite a bit of wear for 22,000 miles on rollers.
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Getting there…
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And this makes me sad…
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@krs probably thinking “told ya so.”
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cumminsturbofreak said:
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And this makes me sad…
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@krs probably thinking “told ya so.”
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Truly disgraceful. Can't be called an American company anymore.
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Shock88
wait…this is all just to do the lifters?! i understand doing this for the cam but lifters?! maybe i haven’t looked into these newer engines too deep yet
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also, i have a slight non-rythmic tick randomly…makes me worry, but i’m ignoring it like the elephant in the room for now
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Shock88 said:
wait…this is all just to do the lifters?! i understand doing this for the cam but lifters?! maybe i haven’t looked into these newer engines too deep yet
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Lifters and/or cam. The lifters come out through the cam hole and a stupidly expensive Mopar special tool is needed to do the job.

I decided to go with a Wagler Stage 1 tow cam as I’m not putting a hollow China cam back in.
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krs
cumminsturbofreak said:
Lifters and/or cam. The lifters come out through the cam hole and a stupidly expensive Mopar special tool is needed to do the job.

I decided to go with a Wagler Stage 1 tow cam as I’m not putting a hollow China cam back in.
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A special tool for removing the lifters that are only in the 19+ engines? Did you buy that tool and if so what does it look like?
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What does the timing cover say in the casting under the cam gear? Is it made in china too?
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BTW what oil where you using?
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Dblr2 said:
BTW what oil where you using?
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5W40 T6.


krs said:
A special tool for removing the lifters that are only in the 19+ engines? Did you buy that tool and if so what does it look like?
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It grabs the lifter and turns them down and back up for install.
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krashDH
Shock88 said:
wait…this is all just to do the lifters?! i understand doing this for the cam but lifters?! maybe i haven’t looked into these newer engines too deep yet
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Be glad you don't have to do this job on a 3rd gen. I'm seriously envious of the ease of getting to the cam.
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Since the roller lifters are not mushroom like the older flat tappet lifters, I was hoping there was some way the roller lifters could be removed from the top without disturbing the cam.

That does seem to be a lot of wear on the cam. I hope the roller lifters are ok.
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StealthDiesel said:
Since the roller lifters are not mushroom like the older flat tappet lifters, I was hoping there was some way the roller lifters could be removed from the top without disturbing the cam.

That does seem to be a lot of wear on the cam. I hope the roller lifters are ok.
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I’ll pull cam tomorrow when I get my magnets to hold the lifters. I have new lifters coming anyways…


krashDH said:
Be glad you don't have to do this job on a 3rd gen. I'm seriously envious of the ease of getting to the cam.
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Believe me, it’s waaaaaay easier on a 3rd gen. I’ve done both.

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krashDH
cumminsturbofreak said:
I’ll pull cam tomorrow when I get my magnets to hold the lifters. I have new lifters coming anyways…



Believe me, it’s waaaaaay easier on a 3rd gen. I’ve done both.

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Easier eh? I take your world for it since you have a newer gen, but damn, when I did my 3rd it was a process!

Are you planning on doing a complete write up for your gen or just posting a few pics here and there on this thread?
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krashDH said:
Easier eh? I take your world for it since you have a newer gen, but damn, when I did my 3rd it was a process!

Are you planning on doing a complete write up for your gen or just posting a few pics here and there on this thread?
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Of the actual cam and lifter install, I’ll do a write up.

Pulling the front end, no. Way too many steps. EDIT: Maybe I will when putting back together, didn’t take any pics taking apart as I was rushing as usual.
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