[cummins04.5handshaker]

Has anybody looked into adding a Procharger to help push the turbo 64,66 or S400? I've seen a couple videos on YouTube of Empire diesel doing it to 6.0's and 7.3's. You get zero lag and almost instant boost. Turbo can do 20+ lbs boost in nuetral while procharger does 12 lbs. It makes since and just curious if anybody is doing it or has done it. I'd love to see video of it on CR.

 

[fordassassin]

They are almost out with the CR kit. Talked to Buddy @ Empire state and a few other guys that work/business partners there that moved from Central California to there. I was thinking about trying a F1-A Procharger with a S468 turbo but ended up with twins instead. I know a buddy with a 7.3 with a Procharger setup that idles @ 5 psi.

 

[cummins04.5handshaker]

That's awesome. Just the sound of the procharger when revved up is insane. I bet towing will no problem and EGTs will never be an issue. I'm glad they are working on our trucks and can't wait to see the finished product.

 

[jms_shepherd]

Will procharger cost as much hp as a supercharger though when running it? I know they are belt driven so that means that it's pretty much driven off the crank. If that was the case would this put more loads on the bearings and increase cylinder pressure?

Also a super charger is driven off the front of the crank. Does the same apply to the procharger? If thats the case that will put load on both sides of the crank and that would be hell on the engine.....

I don't know so thats why I am asking. I know thats why you don't see much superchargers on diesels because of the above questions I ask is what the supercharger does to the motor.

 

[AdamRRT]

A Procjarger is a brand of centrifugal supercharger. Doesn't matter that it has parasitic loss since it's making enouh boost to more than compensate. It's a moot point. But I would only want it on a manual tranny diesel same as I have a little P1 Prochsrger on my Vette. The auto holds boost between gears so no need. It's no secret that a turbo is better. Even if just for the crank loading concerns.

Now what I wanna see is a diesel with a turbo feeding a positive-displacement blower like a Maggie, Whipple, or KB.

 

[DODGE74]

Will procharger cost as much hp as a supercharger though when running it? I know they are belt driven so that means that it's pretty much driven off the crank. If that was the case would this put more loads on the bearings and increase cylinder pressure?

Also a super charger is driven off the front of the crank. Does the same apply to the procharger? If thats the case that will put load on both sides of the crank and that would be hell on the engine.....

I don't know so thats why I am asking. I know thats why you don't see much superchargers on diesels because of the above questions I ask is what the supercharger does to the motor.

Yes, a Procharger is a supercharger. Thats just a brand like Vortec or Paxton etc.. It is driven off the front of the crank and it will take a certain amount of hp to spin it. There wont be much load on the front main bearings just from belt tension. Im not sure what you mean by the charger putting loads on both sides of the crank. :confused013: Supercharging is the same as turbocharging its artificially pressurizing the cyclenders with air to increase combustion pressure.

 

[cummins04.5handshaker]

I know they've done that set up on duramax and powerstroke but maybe there's a reason it's taking some time on the Cummins. It cleaned up fairly big injectors on the powerstroke 6.0 and those things will smoke for sure when pushing alot of fuel. I'm not sure what size charger is required both supercharger and turbo charger. I would think a fairly large turbo would be better than say a 62mm or even a 64mm. I bet it would dominate on a sled puller and would actually allow us manual guys the ability to switch gears with no worrying of turbo lag. Quarter mile runs can be made without boost launching but MPG will probly fall a little being that the boost levels will be higher at times...just a thought.

 

[Devon E]

This truck has a supercharger then a 66mm turbo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDHeIYEJgBU&feature=related

 

[drunk on diesel]

just do compound turbos... cheaper, more efficient, etc. etc. etc. etc.

 

[jms_shepherd]

Well the crank itself already has a load spinning the flywheel etc right? Thats what I meant by putting a load on both sides. But the load on the front of the crank has just been increased because aren't superchargers driven off the crank?. IMO increasing the amount of load on the motor is almost pointless because turbos do its job almost for free. And with the proper setup it's possible to almost eliminate lag anyways. It's all in your tuning, and proper bolt ons.

Drunk on diesel is totally correct. Turbocharging is cheaper, WAY MORE efficient. And can make more power because the parasitic losses are lower, which in turns makes better MPG, more power and a denser charge.

 

[BlackedOut02]

i called empire, they said they were coming out with a kit soon :drool2:

they said you would want to run a turbo with the procharger. the chevys and fords (they said) were running the stock turbos.

instant boost, free rev 20 psi, super super clean, but it has a $5000+ price tag

 

[AdamRRT]

Each has their place. Failure to recognize the advantages of each is failure to comprehend.

 

[jms_shepherd]

Yeah thats an insane price, lol.

 

[Smourj21]

yeah but instant boost would be awesome. it would take the lag out for the guys running bigger twin setups

 

[jms_shepherd]

Is it already designed for setups like that? I wonder if you looks MPG now too if you were running it more so as a daily driving concept or whatever.

 

[jms_shepherd]

I will say this I did see a procharger setup before and it instantly spooled a 95mm turbo. It was almost making 1200hp. But there was ALOT of experimenting with it still I believe. It was pretty interesting though. I would just get worried about the extra load and making stuff come apart, etc.. But they prolly figured it all out I suppose.

 

[cummins04.5handshaker]

There's always gonna be turbo lag even when you run small compounds. It's hard to beat zero turbo lag with that supercharger forcing air in it at extra low RPMs.

 

[cummins04.5handshaker]

This truck has a supercharger then a 66mm turbo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDHeIYEJgBU&feature=related

That video is awesome!! That truck is putn down some power runnin with them 22.5's.

 

[Devilman]

with a centrifigal supercharger you will still have lag as it's essentially a belt driven turbo, a roots type supercharger are the ones that provide instant boost.

I don't see them having zero lag on a diesel as rpms is what gets the boost up on a centifigal, unless they are using a steep step down gear to compensate for the lower rpms of the diesel

 

[AdamRRT]

If built for the application, I'm sure the transmission on the head unit will be appropriate for our low rev range. Instant boost.