[tajinate]

I agree with both of you guys, they are pretty damn stout transmissions but I was wondering the same thing about his parts, he doesn't seem to want to give a lot of info about where they came from. I had a buddy who looked them up and he said as far as just ordering genuine NV gears, they are not available anymore. I am not sure at this point whether to ride it out and see if they got it done right this time, or skip the headache, sell the 6 speed and use the extra money to build a stout 5 speed. Like I said, I rarely do any heavy pulling, and during the summer we take the boat out a lot and it's a 23' boat, but it only weighs maybe 2 tons trailer and all. To give you an idea of how heavy I pull, I do not even have a goose neck ball in it. As far as shoving copious amounts of power down the tranny, I usually run my TST on 3-3 standard power, and when I want to play around I put it on the twins program, still 3-3. So I don't see where I am really exceeding the capability of a well built NV5600 with a Zoom Stage 2 ceramic centrifugal clutch. The first re-build we even sat down and discussed what I had done/how I drove it/and what my plans were, so he could help me build it with good stuff to make it last and give me the repeat performance I was wanting.

 

[steelhead01]

side,
still doesn't explain why the OEM factory tranny broke big big time

tajinate,
any markings on the sides of the gears/bearings they returned to you. if you can prove they used substandard foreign not OEM parts, then you have a case and can take them to court on the first and second repair.
I've never seen Chinese knockoff gears for a NV either the 4500 or 5600. bearings yes.

i gave you the reality of the vehicle service laws and industry not a shirt sleeve to cry on.
if you don't pay the bill and they have a valid legal claim, they'll probably just turn it over to a collection agency which will go after your pay check and bank accounts.

i've seen lots of Dodges and GMC products with failed nv5600 6th gears, know of 2 now setting for replacement gears/shafts.

all of the gears and shafts now used for repair are coming out of junkyard trucks and damaged trannys.

still the strongest 6th speed on the market behind 325hp 600lb ft.

the first set, dry ones, look like metallurgy heating failure from the photos but would take testing to be certain.

i dunno what has been said thus far, but if you got your tranny rebuilt and it broke i would bet money they used korea parts. genuine nv shafts and gears are a MUST when workin with the 45 or the 56's. . .you shouldnt be breakin your 5600 unless A) your bearings are bad and the shafts buckle, B) you do something incredibly stupid, C) you put copious amounts of power to it (well over 1000 lb ft), or D) THERE ARE KOREA PARTS INSIDE.

especially if you are dealing with a tranny man you dont know, he probably used korea parts. a lot of tranny builders get nv45's and 56's for routine bearing rebuilds and they rape the guts. i.e. they take your nv shafts and gears for other projects and replaced htem with cheap, accessible korea parts. your authentic nv parts are like gold in this world of endangered nv56's.

ive seen korea parts break a few days after install on multiple occasions. a genuine nv56 is arguably the stoutest transmission ever put into a light duty truck, i had 200,000 miles on my last one with extensive abuse and double its power rating the entirety of its life. i broke my main shaft due to bearing failure. i have some authentic parts out of that tranny if you are interested, and no im not sayin all the above because im tryin to sell you parts, i couldnt care less if you buy them or not (tryin to help ya out with info not play salesman)

 

[tajinate]

What do you mean about 6th gear being on the top? The back, yes, but it's not at the top. As far as the gears, the main has "AT" stamped on it, but that is it for the the whole set. As far as collecting on the bill, yeah I understand all that, but I have been laid off for over 2 months now (the only damn reason I took it to them was because they said they would take care of it under warranty), so they can get in the back of the line as far as I'm concerned. I don't know that collections agencies are allowed to garnish wages, I know MO had several laws governing the limits of collections agencies. I will be going to talk to the circuit court judge here Tuesday (family friend) and see what a true lawyer has to say taking into consideration state and local laws. Not trying to say you are wrong steelhead, just want to hear it from the source. You said I could go after them for 1st and 2nd repairs, this was the 3rd though. Could I for the first since it was the OE tranny that broke? The 2nd they picked up the tab since it was only a week later, but this is the 3rd. I could care less about getting any money back, I just do not want to pay for something that had I known I was paying for I could have done in my shop right here. It was not urgent, I just took it to them because they fixed it before and they said don't worry about the warranty being a little over, we will take care of it for you. I gave them the benefit of the doubt in the first place after hearing other people complain about them fixing cars and having to do it over, but getting it right eventually. They will never get any of my business again, there are plenty of other good reputable shops in the area.

 

[tajinate]

Just looked them over a little better, they both have "AT" stamped on them, any ideas where they are from anyone?

 

[side2000]

side,
still doesn't explain why the OEM factory tranny broke big big time
tajinate,
any markings on the sides of the gears/bearings they returned to you. if you can prove they used substandard foreign not OEM parts, then you have a case and can take them to court on the first and second repair.
I've never seen Chinese knockoff gears for a NV either the 4500 or 5600. bearings yes.

i gave you the reality of the vehicle service laws and industry not a shirt sleeve to cry on.
if you don't pay the bill and they have a valid legal claim, they'll probably just turn it over to a collection agency which will go after your pay check and bank accounts.

i've seen lots of Dodges and GMC products with failed nv5600 6th gears, know of 2 now setting for replacement gears/shafts.

all of the gears and shafts now used for repair are coming out of junkyard trucks and damaged trannys.

still the strongest 6th speed on the market behind 325hp 600lb ft.

the first set, dry ones, look like metallurgy heating failure from the photos but would take testing to be certain.

i listed many reasons trannys fail. . .if you are referring to a low mileage tranny- - -the reasons a low mile factory tranny fails are abundant. . .but its either because its a failure in parts/assembly, or someone did something stupid with their trannys. it could be as simple as a missing/incorrect shim, or a faulty bearing, micro crack in shaft, etc etc.

if you google nv5600 parts, most of the sites sell korea parts, not authentic nv parts. there are guys that sell rescued parts from old trannys, which is the best way to go.

 

[side2000]

I agree with both of you guys, they are pretty damn stout transmissions but I was wondering the same thing about his parts, he doesn't seem to want to give a lot of info about where they came from. I had a buddy who looked them up and he said as far as just ordering genuine NV gears, they are not available anymore. I am not sure at this point whether to ride it out and see if they got it done right this time, or skip the headache, sell the 6 speed and use the extra money to build a stout 5 speed. Like I said, I rarely do any heavy pulling, and during the summer we take the boat out a lot and it's a 23' boat, but it only weighs maybe 2 tons trailer and all. To give you an idea of how heavy I pull, I do not even have a goose neck ball in it. As far as shoving copious amounts of power down the tranny, I usually run my TST on 3-3 standard power, and when I want to play around I put it on the twins program, still 3-3. So I don't see where I am really exceeding the capability of a well built NV5600 with a Zoom Stage 2 ceramic centrifugal clutch. The first re-build we even sat down and discussed what I had done/how I drove it/and what my plans were, so he could help me build it with good stuff to make it last and give me the repeat performance I was wanting.

you can still find authentic nv parts, but as far as buildin a 5 speed you will pretty much be in the same boat. 45 parts are defeinately more abundant because they were used in so many things, but you can find 56 parts easily. ill dig up the mans site ive dealt with and post it up, he sells nothin but authentic gears. normally when the builders act sketchy bout their parts they are korea parts. im tellin ya they know the value of authentic nv shafts and gears. ima dig that site up and post it up for ya

 

[side2000]

QUAD 4 x4

this is the guy that sells nv parts-authentic.

joe's transmissions in pittsburg builds trannys with 1 year warrantys- authentic parts only. you can find him on google or maybe ebay. i think 2700 gets you a 1 yr unlim mile warranty.

 

[tajinate]

Just a wild idea, but the main shaft 6th is the one that keeps breaking, has anyone ever cryo-treated this part? Think it would maybe give it some extra life?

 

[steelhead01]

side,
tajinate's original tranny lasted 6 years and 100k+ miles so don't see how that's a low mile factory defect if that is what you are referring to.
never have seen a low mileage failure in a 5600 behind a stock engine.

taj,
have the failed gears, shafts and bearings examined by a local Dodge dealer certified 5600 mechanic for failure analysis and any foreign made parts substitution, you're going to need proof in court. the horse's mouth is the best. unbiased experts always win. you'll just have to pay his court time but low cost in comparison to what you've put out already.

if it's a local shop, the owner probably knows the judge better than you and probably donates to the judge's campaign and poker parties.:rof

good luck

i listed many reasons trannys fail. . .if you are referring to a low mileage tranny- - -the reasons a low mile factory tranny fails are abundant. . .but its either because its a failure in parts/assembly, or someone did something stupid with their trannys. it could be as simple as a missing/incorrect shim, or a faulty bearing, micro crack in shaft, etc etc.

.

 

[tajinate]

Steelhead01, the judge is in this county, shop is in another and no, he didn't know the guy. Actually his first answer to me was that since the guy threw me the keys, didn't have me sign any receipt or give me any paperwork, and told me to just come by next week sometime that he actually has no way of holding me to it and I have my truck back. He said they have no actual way of holding me to it since they already gave me the truck back, but his recommendation was that I go there, offer to pay half and if they don't agree, just pay half anyway and wait and see if they pursue it further. He said they would have to go to small claims court and if they decided to do that just pay the rest and get them off my back. Sounded good to me.

 

[side2000]

side,
tajinate's original tranny lasted 6 years and 100k+ miles so don't see how that's a low mile factory defect if that is what you are referring to.
never have seen a low mileage failure in a 5600 behind a stock engine.

so what did i miss? you say i didnt explain why his "factory oem" tranny failed, but i described the most feasible scenarios for any nv56 failure when mated to our trucks, then when in question, specifically explained feasible scenarios for low mileage factory trannys. :confused013:

everything that has ever been manuactured has defects. that includes nv5600's behind stock motors. most of the manufacturers on the planet have a rating for their products failure rate. "pph" or "problems per hundred" is a common rating for failures from the manufacturer. there is no such thing as a dummy, or failure proof, product.

 

[side2000]

Steelhead01, the judge is in this county, shop is in another and no, he didn't know the guy. Actually his first answer to me was that since the guy threw me the keys, didn't have me sign any receipt or give me any paperwork, and told me to just come by next week sometime that he actually has no way of holding me to it and I have my truck back. He said they have no actual way of holding me to it since they already gave me the truck back, but his recommendation was that I go there, offer to pay half and if they don't agree, just pay half anyway and wait and see if they pursue it further. He said they would have to go to small claims court and if they decided to do that just pay the rest and get them off my back. Sounded good to me.

so lemme get this straight. . .the shop that built your tranny is in another country? need anything else be said? . . .

you got korea parts in your tanny my friend. and for anyone that wants to sling in that he may have china parts, taiwan parts, vietnam parts, or ______ ______ (fill in the blank poor steel producing crountries). . . korea parts = china parts = taiwain parts etc etc etc. if the parts in your NV are not U.S. made then its a matter of when, not if, your tranny fails because of the korea parts. unfortunately man in my unprofessional law standpoint you may have an expensive lesson pending. its hard to get someone in the heartland of the US to live up to their workmanship/product let alone some other country where loopholes between them and you are much more abundant.

 

[tajinate]

Side, lol, re-read a little slower! County, not country, about a 25 minute drive from my house to the shop. I am going to my dad's machine shop with the NV gear set that broke in round 1 tomorrow and the latest failure to test them on a Rockwell hardness tester, see what kinda crap they put in there. I have almost no doubt they used crap gears. He also said that there is no shortage of parts for the 5600, sounds pretty damn conflicting with what i hear and read from everyone else. It's damn simple really, the tranny was made for 5 years, and then they went under, so there is a very limited amount of genuine parts to replace the broken with, he seemed to think otherwise though. Probably just trying to blow smoke up my a$$ like he has been throughout this whole ordeal!

 

[side2000]

ten 4. thats why i said "lemme get this straight". it IS 2:00 in the mornin on a sat in these parts. . . .aint the best conditions for readin and comprehension if ya know what i mean. you hit the nail on the head with what you just said though. . .he is definately beatin around the bush with you. he either has no idea that parts are hard to find and is puttin korea parts in thinkin they are legit, or worse yet is well aware that there is an abundance of cheap korea parts that fail and he is sellin them to ya anyway.

 

[side2000]

by any chance do you have any of the parts from your original tranny? if so, do you have the broke parts from the new tranny?

 

[tajinate]

Yes I do, I have both 6th gear sets (counter and main), the original set that broke at 117K, and the set that broke last week, 15K later. If it wasn't for all this I was gonna weld them all together, pretty good boat anchor lol!

 

[MfolsomblueD]

LOL ya that bout all they are worth now

 

[side2000]

ha we are gonna make a weight set with all the tranny parts and flywheels we got layin around.

you can actually test your parts if you got good ears. . .line the original counter shaft next to one of the new-er failed ones (can be any part as long as you have two of the same ones) take somethin real solid like maybe a hammer or a pic and tap the shafts with it. korea parts sound "softer" than the original nv shafts, and a lot of times you can actually look at the break and tell the korea parts are more porous than the original shafts. its not a perfect science but its worth a shot.

 

[Greeen-Number-2]

where did you get it rebuilt, ouch, I just had mine rebuilt for $1300 and had it back in less then a week? 6th gear was out just like yours, and all the synros were toast

Where did you have it done in cali!

 

[fatgraderman]

Where did you have it done in cali!

That’s 10 years old. Almost 11....


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