[F350Buster]

Hey there yall, im posting this for a friend, he has a 2005 with a few aftermarket bolt ons... This is whats up, Started the truck in the morning an it let out a bit of blue smoke for about a minute then cleared, he jumped in an drove the truck didnt feel right an was puffing alotta black smoke when driving, also the truck is not chipped... So he replaced the fuel filter, an now it will not start... The bowl filter basin filled up... He has cracked 3 of the injecter lines from the firewall towards the rads, an told me that there is plenty of fuel pressure... Any help would be great... Thanks for your time...

 

[DIESELDREW24]

i had a similar problem on a 6.5 turbo diesel......going up a mountain highway and she had no umpf behind her like she usually did and was pouring black smoke out. turns out my waste-gate solenoid was out. i replaced it and it was back to normal performance and no unusual smoke. and as for not starting. my fuel pump took a dive on me so i replaced it, the filter, and lines and she started right up!

 

[DIESELDREW24]

dont know if that helps but worth a shot on my part haha

 

[F350Buster]

Well that will be one of the things that we check tomorrow when i go over there... Thanks for the reply...

 

[Freeride202]

First off he should not be opening the lines while cranking the engine. The CP3 is capable of producing 26,000 psi while cranking and can cause 3rd degree burns or worse. There is no reason to do this when diagnosing any issue.

Know back to his problem. Most likely the fuel system is not building enough rail pressure to start. The only way to check this is with a scanner, after market gauge or digital voltmeter. It is impossible for some one to look at the fuel coming out of the lines and tell if there is enough pressure. There needs to be 2000 psi in the rail before the computer will fire the injectors.

The reasons for low pressure can very from injectors to a faulty lift pump or CP3. I would first look into the lift pump to see if it is putting out at least 10 psi pressure and flowing above 460mL/10sec. Though even if it is only putting out 5 psi the truck should start.

Codes are probably the easiest thing to check. I believe you can do the three key cycle trick on a 2005 to retrieve any stored codes.

 

[F350Buster]

Yeah i didnt think that it was such a good idea that he was cracking the lines either when he told me what was happening with the truck over the phone...haha


The three key cycle trick that you speak of is self explanitory or what exactly do you mean?

 

[SOUTHERN SMOKE]

the common rails are a self bleeding system, if it had air in, it will push it out itself, the key trick is turn the key on-off-on-off-on, stopping in the on position over a 3-5 sec period without starting the truck the odometer will show the codes, then say done, and go back to the mileage.. sounds to me like the fca might be going bad... has he checked it?

 

[F350Buster]

Yeah i will try the key trick in the morning... What do you mean by fca?

 

[SOUTHERN SMOKE]

Yeah i will try the key trick in the morning... What do you mean by fca?

fca is fuel control acuator, it controls fuel pressure from cp3 to rail to keep pressure in check, usually they can fail and will have same symptoms, also if number 1 injector fails the truck wont fire either, the timing process the truck fires off the number 1 injector and follows the process of 1-5-3-6-2-4, if thats out of whack it will cause all kinds of problems. blue smoke is also indicative of oil in the fuel, check the headgasket, coolant bottle, etc make sure the oil doesnt smell like diesel...

 

[F350Buster]

Will do... Thanks alot for the help from everyone i will be sure to let you guys know the outcome...

 

[F350Buster]

Still Dont Know!

So we did the three key cycle trick an the code came up as P 2505... Does anyone know what that code means?
Any help would be greatly appreciated...:confused013:

 

[smithwr]

TroubleCodes.net- engine & OBD2 Trouble Codes and Technical info & Tool Store.

 

[smithwr]

i cant find 2505 heres another list
Just in case anybody needs a quick reference, I found a complete(?) listing of the trouble codes for our rides. (not sure if these are valid for the new 6.7L trucks. sorry.)

Dodge Cummins Check Engine Error Codes

Cycle Key on-off-on-off-on to read codes in odometer display

P0002 ECM fuel calibration error
P0016 Crankshaft/Camshaft Timing Misalignment/Out-of- Sync
P0071 Ambient Temperature Sensor Performance / Rationality
P0072 Ambient Temperature Sensor Low
P0073 Ambient Temperature Sensor High
P0088 Fuel Rail Pressure Too High
P0106 Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor Performance / Rationality
P0107 Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor Low
P0108 Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor High
P0111 Intake Air / Charge Temperature Sensor Performance / Rationality
P0112 Intake Air / Charge Temperature Sensor Low
P0113 Intake Air / Charge Temperature Sensor High
P0116 Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor Performance / Rationality
P0117 Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor Low
P0118 Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor High
P0121 Accelerator Position Sensor (APPS) Signal Voltage Too Low
P0122 Accelerator Position Sensor (APPS) LowAPPS Voltage Input Too Low
P0123 Accelerator Position Sensor (APPS) Signal Voltage Too High
P0128 Cooling System Error / Thermostat Rationality
P0148 Fuel Delivery Error
P0168 Fuel Temp Too High
P0169 Water-in-Fuel Detected For Too Long
P0192 Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor Low
P0193 Fuel Rail Pressure Sensor High
P0201 Fuel Injector 1 Circuit
P0202 Fuel Injector 2 Circuit
P0203 Fuel Injector 3 Circuit
P0204 Fuel Injector 4 Circuit
P0205 Fuel Injector 5 Circuit
P0206 Fuel Injector 6 Circuit
P0216 Fuel Injection pump Timing Malfunciton [new injector pump time]
P0217 Coolant Temperature Too High
P0219 Engine Overspeed
P0230 Transfer pump circuit out of range
P0234 Turbocharger Overboost Condition
P0235 Turbocharger Boost Sensor A Circuit
P0236 Turbocharger Boost Pressure Sensor Performance / Rationality
P0237 Turbocharger Boost Pressure Sensor Low
P0238 Turbocharger Boost Pressure Sensor High
P0251 Fuel Injection Pump Mechanical Failure Fuel Valve Feedback Circuit
P0252 Injection Pump Fuel Metering Control "A" Range/Performance
P0253 Fuel Injection Pump Fuel Valve Open Circuit
P0254 Fuel Injection Pump Fuel Valve Current Too High
P0300 Multiple Cylinder Misfire
P0301 Cylinder 1 Misfire
P0302 Cylinder 2 Misfire
P0303 Cylinder 3 Misfire
P0304 Cylinder 4 Misfire
P0305 Cylinder 5 Misfire
P0306 Cylinder 6 Misfire
P0335 Crankshaft Position Sensor Circuit
P0336 Crankshaft Position Sensor Performance
P0337 Crankshaft Position Sensor Circuit Low
P0338 Crankshaft Position Sensor Circuit High
P0340 Camshaft Position Sensor Circuit
P0341 Camshaft Position Sensor Performance / Rationality
P0370 Timing Reference High Resolution Signal "A"
P0380 Intake Air Heater #1 Control circuit
P0381 Wait-to-Start Lamp Inoperative
P0382 Intake Air Heater #2 Control circuit
P0460 Fuel Level Sensor A Circuit
P0461 Fuel Level Sensor 1 Performance / Rationality
P0462 Fuel Level Sensor 1 Low
P0463 Fuel Level Sensor 1 High
P0477 Exhaust Pressure Control Relay Low
P0478 Exhaust Pressure Control Relay High
P0480 Cooling Fan 1 Control Circuit/Open (Low Speed Fan Relay)
P0483 Cooling Fan Speed
P0500 Vehicle Speed Sensor 1 Circuit, or No Vehicle Speed Reference Signal 1
P0514 Battery Temperature Sensor Performance / Rationality
P0516 Battery Temperature Sensor Low
P0517 Battery Temperature Sensor High
P0521 Oil Pressure Sensor Performance / Rationality
P0522 Engine Oil Pressure Sensor/Switch Circuit Low Input
P0523 Oil Pressure Sending Unit Voltage too high
P0524 Oil Pressure Too Low
P0532 A/C Pressure Sensor Low
P0533 A/C Pressure Sensor High
P0541 Intake Air Heater Relay 1 Low
P0542 Intake Air Heater Relay 1 High
P0562 Battery Voltage Low
P0563 Battery Voltage High
P0572 Brake Switch 1 Low
P0573 Brake Switch 1 High
P0576 Cruise Control Input Circuit Low
P0580 Speed Control Multiplexed Switch 1 Low
P0581 Speed Control Multiplexed Switch 1 High
P0602 Control Module Programming Error/NotProgrammed
P0604 Internal Control Module RAM Integrity Failure
P0606 Internal ECM Processor
P0607 ECU Internal Performance
P0622 Generator Field Control Circuit
P0628 Fuel Pump Relay Circuit Low, or Fuel Lift Pump Control Circuit Low
P0629 Fuel Pump Relay Circuit High, or Fuel Lift Pump Control Circuit High
P0630 VIN Not Programmed in PCM
P0633 SKIM Key Not Programmed in PCM
P0642 Sensor Reference Voltage 1 Circuit Low
P0643 Sensor Reference Voltage 1 Circuit High
P0646 A/C Clutch Relay Circuit Low
P0647 A/C Clutch Relay Circuit High
P0652 Sensor Reference Voltage 2 Circuit Low
P0653 Sensor Reference Voltage 2 Circuit High
P0698 Sensor Reference Voltage 3 Circuit Low
P0699 Sensor Reference Voltage 3 Circuit High
P0700 Transmission Control System (MIL Request)
P0743 Torque Converter Clutch Circuit Electrical
P0753 Shift Solenoid "A" Electrical
P0837 Four Wheel Drive (4WD) Switch Performance / Rationality
P0838 Four Wheel Drive (4WD) Switch Circuit Low
P0839 Four Wheel Drive (4WD) Switch Circuit High
P1488 Auxiliary 5 volt supply output is too low
P1492 Ambient/batt temp sensor volts too high
P1493 Ambient/batt temp sensor volts too low
P1596 Speed Control Switch always high
P1597 Speed Control Switch always low
P1652 J1850 Communication Bus
P1687 No Cluster BUS Message or No Messages from the Mechanical Instrument Cluster
P1688 Internal Fuel Injection Pump Controller Failure
P1689 No Communication Between ECM & Injection Pump Module
P1690 Fuel injection pump CKP Sensor Does Not Agree With ECM CKP Sensor
P1691 Fuel Injection Pump Controller Calibration Failure
P1693 Generic fault indicating a fault in the bus or PCM/ECM interface
P1757 Governor pressure is above 3 PSI when 0 PSI is requested
P1762 Governor Press Sensor Offset Volts Too Low or Too High
P1765 Transmission 12 volt supply relay control circuit
P2121 Pedal Position Sensor 1 Performance / Rationality
P2122 Pedal Position Sensor 1 Low
P2123 Pedal Position Sensor 1 High
P2127 Pedal Validation Switch 2 Low
P2128 Pedal Validation Switch 2 High
P2146 Fuel Injector Group 1 Supply Voltage Circuit
P2149 Fuel Injector Group 2 Supply Voltage Circuit
P2266 Water in Fuel Sensor Circuit Low
P2269 Water in Fuel Condition
P2502 Charging System Output Voltage
P2503 Charging System Output Low
P2504 Charging System Output High
P2509 ECM/PCM Power Input Signal Intermittent
P2607 Intake Air Heater Relay 2 Low
P2608 Intake Air Heater Relay 2 High
P2609 Intake Air Heater System Performance

 

[SOUTHERN SMOKE]

2505 is ecm/pcm power input signal malfunction....

 

[F350Buster]

Ok an that means time for a trip on the old tow truck or how hard is that to be fixed or replaced?

 

[F350Buster]

Any help would be great... Thanks to all that have helped... My buddy is scared to bring it into the shop due to crazy shop rates...

 

[SOUTHERN SMOKE]

sounds like it may be time for a new computer in the truck... other one may be toast....

 

[easymon]

had a simular pro this winter talking with some 1 else thaysaid to pull the connectors of the commuter and clean them and whala putback to gather and had power to ecm. ps was at the dealer when all this was going on and thy looked at when i told the to do this prosdure they were looking to put a new comp. in .worth a try guys

 

[F350Buster]

Well i ended up getting super busy this weekend but i will pass the info on... Thanks again guys...