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I really despise going to the BMV for anything. Been here 40 minutes.

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It's got a bumper with built-in grooves, but they aren't effective like the spikes.
That's the key, it's not effective. It's like having brakes on a truck but they don't work when you hook up a trailer. That's my only gripe about it though. Very lightweight, and agile, barely used a quarter of a 5 amp battery that wasn't even fully charged, and i didn't have to spend the usual couple minutes messing with the chainsaw to get it to fire. The safety for the trigger is a bit annoying, only took a minute to get used to it and do one handed operations. I suppose that could be my second complaint, would be to have the safety lock on or off, rather then need to be pushed every time you go for the trigger. But like i said, overall, i can't complain about it. Sure works better then any makita would, but i imagine a Milwaukee might be better. They do tend to be aimed a bit more towards the pros, i have a buddy that is thinking about getting one, and since he runs the red tools, we might be able to do a side by side comparison between the two. Although looking at it, i'm not sure it will really be apples to apples. the handle on it looks really long, which could be good for balance, but could also get cumbersome. and while it is an m18 which is comparable to the dewalt 20v line, it runs the 16 inch bar, which i think those extra 4 inches will be a real battery killer. Dewalt pops up to the 60v system for the 16" bar, and probably for a good reason. Although the 12" bar one i got can run the same 60v battery, which would give it a substantial boost in battery life i'd imagine.

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And it looks like the makita solution is just to add more batteries, and weight...which one do you have @Aburdett ? I've never really been impressed with any of the Makita tools i've used over the years.
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I really despise going to the BMV for anything. Been here 40 minutes.
Me, too! Thankfully I can make an appointment and bypass having to wait in line.
 

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i have a buddy that is thinking about getting one

Dewalt pops up to the 60v system for the 16" bar, and probably for a good reason.
My Kansas buddy who comes up to his New Mexico cabin has the Dewalt 16" saw. He leaves the two Stihl gas powered saws at home and brings the Dewalt when he comes up. He's very impressed with it.

I already have the 20v/60v battery that came with my air compressor, so I would just need to buy the tool. Although, if I were to do a lot of cutting, I would want a second battery.



 

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That's the key, it's not effective. It's like having brakes on a truck but they don't work when you hook up a trailer. That's my only gripe about it though. Very lightweight, and agile, barely used a quarter of a 5 amp battery that wasn't even fully charged, and i didn't have to spend the usual couple minutes messing with the chainsaw to get it to fire. The safety for the trigger is a bit annoying, only took a minute to get used to it and do one handed operations. I suppose that could be my second complaint, would be to have the safety lock on or off, rather then need to be pushed every time you go for the trigger. But like i said, overall, i can't complain about it. Sure works better then any makita would, but i imagine a Milwaukee might be better. They do tend to be aimed a bit more towards the pros, i have a buddy that is thinking about getting one, and since he runs the red tools, we might be able to do a side by side comparison between the two. Although looking at it, i'm not sure it will really be apples to apples. the handle on it looks really long, which could be good for balance, but could also get cumbersome. and while it is an m18 which is comparable to the dewalt 20v line, it runs the 16 inch bar, which i think those extra 4 inches will be a real battery killer. Dewalt pops up to the 60v system for the 16" bar, and probably for a good reason. Although the 12" bar one i got can run the same 60v battery, which would give it a substantial boost in battery life i'd imagine.

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Amazon.com : DEWALT 20V MAX XR Chainsaw, 12-Inch, Tool Only (DCCS620B) : Garden & Outdoor

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And it looks like the makita solution is just to add more batteries, and weight...which one do you have @Aburdett ? I've never really been impressed with any of the Makita tools i've used over the years.
Amazon.com : Makita XCU03PT1 18V X2 (36V) LXT Lithium-Ion Brushless Cordless 14 Chain Saw Kit with, 4 Batteries (5.0Ah), Blue : Garden & Outdoor

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I have the 12” bar with 2x18v batteries. My wife can one hand it in a ladder so that should say how heavy it is. I love it. They make an even smaller one too.

In doing commercial construction since high school, up until a couple years ago, you couldn’t give me anything dewalt. I do wish makita had a few different tools that Milwaukee has. Grease gun and smaller wratchet. Milwaukee and makita would be my only choices, that I’ve seen do good and last in commercial. I’m also not a fan of dewalts 60v. But when I was using my tools, lots were outside in -30 during the winter and being dropped. Dewalt batteries don’t last and the more complicated a battery system gets, the further away from it I want to be.
 

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I have the 12” bar with 2x18v batteries. My wife can one hand it in a ladder so that should say how heavy it is. I love it. They make an even smaller one too.

In doing commercial construction since high school, up until a couple years ago, you couldn’t give me anything dewalt. I do wish makita had a few different tools that Milwaukee has. Grease gun and smaller wratchet. Milwaukee and makita would be my only choices, that I’ve seen do good and last in commercial. I’m also not a fan of dewalts 60v. But when I was using my tools, lots were outside in -30 during the winter and being dropped. Dewalt batteries don’t last and the more complicated a battery system gets, the further away from it I want to be.
That's funny, i've had the exact same experience with makita, horribly unreliable. I view the dewalt always stood up, but not as well as Milwaukee tools. In a commercial setting, i wouldn't buy anything besides a Milwaukee. for home owner use, heavy or light, i prefer dewalt. The extra cost to go the Milwaukee just isn't worth it to me. Mostly because i'm already invested in the dewalt tools. When the next big change happens in battery technology i might consider upgrading the the red tools, if i can justify it. If i find myself pushing and using the tools more then i do now, i will move up to Milwaukee, i just don't see that being necessary with how my dewalts have been holding up. But like i said, if i were using them professionally, i wouldn't even consider anything beyond the Milwaukee tools
 

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That's funny, i've had the exact same experience with makita, horribly unreliable. I view the dewalt always stood up, but not as well as Milwaukee tools. In a commercial setting, i wouldn't buy anything besides a Milwaukee. for home owner use, heavy or light, i prefer dewalt. The extra cost to go the Milwaukee just isn't worth it to me. Mostly because i'm already invested in the dewalt tools. When the next big change happens in battery technology i might consider upgrading the the red tools, if i can justify it. If i find myself pushing and using the tools more then i do now, i will move up to Milwaukee, i just don't see that being necessary with how my dewalts have been holding up. But like i said, if i were using them professionally, i wouldn't even consider anything beyond the Milwaukee tools
I used them professionally for those years and still use them. And I’m not nice to my tools. Was your experience with home line makita? Cheaper versions? There’s probably a handful or more 1/4” impacts alone. Some are better built than others. Makita has the best ergonomics of the tools, I’ve found. Milwaukee doesn’t have the best oil resistance either. The rubber kinda breaks down. Their tools “look” cheap as well. But Milwaukee would be my second choice.

Milwaukee does always seem to be heavily promotion driven, but they also aren’t the cheapest tool to buy.
 

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All we use at work is Milwaukee. Besides our metabos. We used to have Milwaukee grinders but something about the safety brake we're not allowed to have them now. Our tools get used and abused, but they still plug away. I've got them soaked in water, mud, dirt and even had a few catch fire from burning.lol. They are pricey but you get what you pay for. I haven't used any of the newer dewalt stuff so I can't compare there.

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I'm using Milwaukee tools at work. Had the DeWalt when I was at another shop and the batteries wouldn't hold up so when I had the choice I decided on red. They have held up well to the point I've bought the largest 1/2" impact and 3/8" ratchet recently to add to the collection. The time to buy them is usually around Christmas time, seems to be when the best deals are.
A friend of mine is like you @Loki223, all yellow. I told him to sell all of the yellow stuff and take the $$ and buy what he absolutely needs in red and then add to the collection as needed. He still hasn't pulled the trigger but still bitches every time I see him about the yellow tools.
 
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The time to buy them is usually around Christmas time, seems to be when the best deals are.
These days I buy refurbished ones, generally from CPOoutlets. If I don't need the tool now, also wait for them to be on sale, which is quite frequently for most of them. So far not a singe refurb has had any issues.
 
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I used them professionally for those years and still use them. And I’m not nice to my tools. Was your experience with home line makita? Cheaper versions? There’s probably a handful or more 1/4” impacts alone. Some are better built than others. Makita has the best ergonomics of the tools, I’ve found. Milwaukee doesn’t have the best oil resistance either. The rubber kinda breaks down. Their tools “look” cheap as well. But Milwaukee would be my second choice.

Milwaukee does always seem to be heavily promotion driven, but they also aren’t the cheapest tool to buy.
I couldn't tell you what quality the makita's were bought at, either consumer grade or professional grade as i wasn't in the purchasing line in the company at that point in time. I just knew they never lasted, and on commercial job sites whenever i saw them and spoke with people they all had the same opinion of makita Could easily be a proliferation of home use tools in a professional setting leading to my opinion of them. Once i had moved up some we had a could dewalt corded tools, but switched to almost purely Milwaukee. My selling point on the red tools was taking them, fully submerging them in liquid concrete, and using them fully submerged. Afterwards they would have their power source removed, whether it be cords or batteries, and pressure washed clean. I'm not sure if there is a more abusive situation to put a tool in short of throwing it into a spinning barrel full of rocks. They worked, and lasted for years. It would take a lot for me to prefer something else over Milwaukee in a professional setting.

Like BF had mentioned, the old dewalt 18v batteries were garbage. When they moved onto the 20v system the batteries improved greatly. If i were still running the 18v system i would switch out, but the 20v ones work good. The 12v system is even worse then the 18v system, from everything i've heard. I've never been so low to have to buy a 12v unit, but i've never heard of anyone that really uses it as liking it. One thing dewalt does do right is the ergonomics and overall design, there are several Milwaukee tools i've used that they just do wrong, like the oscilating tool. No quick release system for the blade, and the battery is at an angle, sure in use it's fine, but whenever you go to set it down it's going to fall over or roll. And when you need to swap blades you have to stop and pull out tools. The dewalt has the battery mounted so the tool can stand up on the back, or be sat down and it doesn't roll. Plus, when you need to swap the blade, it's a simple lever pull away from being able to. Given, thats one of the only tools i can actively say the dewalt is hands down better designed then the Milwaukee, but just goes to show no tool line is perfect
 

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Dewalt's top line is the XR series and Milwaukee's top line is the FUEL series. Both are excellent when it comes to battery power. Dewalt's 60V FlexVolt puts them at the top of the competition.

Dewalt and Milwaukee are the leaders in the cordless industry. Dewalt is always being compared to Milwaukee and Milwaukee is always being compared to Dewalt. They are the biggest competition for each other. You can't go wrong with either company. Both are leaders in innovation, performance, and tool selection (well over 200+ tools).

I personally don't know anyone who has Craftsman, Bostitch, or Makita. I know one guy who has Ridgid. I've actually seen Ryobi used on a few construction sites. All the big contractors that I know use either Milwaukee or Dewalt or a combination of both.
 

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Been a productive day here. Installed an electric tongue jack on the camper, replaced the lock. Put together a shelf for the wife. I'm bear now.

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Been a productive day here. Installed an electric tongue jack on the camper
Electric jacks are nice, especially if you use a weight distribution hitch.
 

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Electric jacks are nice, especially if you use a weight distribution hitch.
I have two still in their boxes, if you're interested. Since I rarely use anything bumper pull anymore, I might as well sell them.
 

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I have two still in their boxes, if you're interested.
I'll keep that in mind, especially if I make it back to your part of the country.
 
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that reminds me, i have a box i've got sitting next to my 391 i've been meaning to send to jimmy. Pulled it down while packing and deliberately did not pack it into the conex
 

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I bought second Equal-i-zer hitch, this one is rated for 12,000 lbs whereas the other is rated for 10,000 lbs. I'll be using this one for the dump trailer.



 

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that reminds me, i have a box i've got sitting next to my 391 i've been meaning to send to jimmy. Pulled it down while packing and deliberately did not pack it into the conex
Uh, oh.
 
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