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So since people were getting a little whiney in the other threads, i did as they said and started my own thread. So who's better not that we have any info on the H&S tuneing but maybe H&S will chime in and tell us why we should purchase there tuneing over MHP. If H&S tunes were atleast equivalent to MHP but can get it for say $200 bucks over any tuner you buy from them sounds like a good deal to me maybe iam just doing wishfull thinking:confused013:
 

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they said for the trany tune with xrt you need a stand alone unit like the xrt right? would you be able to run this with a smarty? or would mhp be your only choice with smarty tune
 

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I don't want this to get into anything ugly, so I will state the facts on what the H&S TCM tuning will do and then you guys may be able to actually compare a little. Of course the H&S tuning has not been released, so there will be no way of doing a comparison on that end of it.

I will say this, the H&S software will allow you to download and return your TCM to stock as many times as you want, in your driveway. We will also of course, always be working on custom tunes depending on the demand of the customer. These custom tunes will not be available at initial release, but will come slowly as the custom engine tuning downloads have. The "xrt" style tcm tuner will work with other horsepower modifiers as well, ie edge, smarty, superchips, etc. It will, however, work best with the H&S tuning, because it was tailored to match our tunes.

I have heard nothing but good things coming from the MHP tunes and their abilities. So by NO means am I saying anything negative towards them. As always we view the competition to be a challenge towards us, to build our products better, more cost effective, and keep the customer support to a premium.
 

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I'll be choosing an H&S tuned TCM incase anyone wondered. :lol3:
 

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I don't want this to get into anything ugly, so I will state the facts on what the H&S TCM tuning will do and then you guys may be able to actually compare a little. Of course the H&S tuning has not been released, so there will be no way of doing a comparison on that end of it.

I will say this, the H&S software will allow you to download and return your TCM to stock as many times as you want, in your driveway. We will also of course, always be working on custom tunes depending on the demand of the customer. These custom tunes will not be available at initial release, but will come slowly as the custom engine tuning downloads have. The "xrt" style tcm tuner will work with other horsepower modifiers as well, ie edge, smarty, superchips, etc. It will, however, work best with the H&S tuning, because it was tailored to match our tunes.

I have heard nothing but good things coming from the MHP tunes and their abilities. So by NO means am I saying anything negative towards them. As always we view the competition to be a challenge towards us, to build our products better, more cost effective, and keep the customer support to a premium.


Not trying to start anything either but i just wana know why i should buy yours over theres type of thing. I guess being able to take your tune out is kinda cool but i have no reason to take take it out unless i sell my truck and i plan on haveing it for a long time to come so not exactly a huge selling point to me. Iam more worried about haveing a tune for us guys that want a super hard shifting trans for raceing then a firm shifting tune for commuteing/towing.

I think that a TCM tuner that has differnt settings that you can change with say maybe a race mode that we can purchase extra sorta like a hot un-lock or tnt or crazy larry type of thing.

If you guys can make a TCM tuner that has differnt settings would be a huge seller.
 

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Not trying to start anything either but i just wana know why i should buy yours over theres type of thing. I guess being able to take your tune out is kinda cool but i have no reason to take take it out unless i sell my truck and i plan on haveing it for a long time to come so not exactly a huge selling point to me. Iam more worried about haveing a tune for us guys that want a super hard shifting trans for raceing then a firm shifting tune for commuteing/towing.

I think that a TCM tuner that has differnt settings that you can change with say maybe a race mode that we can purchase extra sorta like a hot un-lock or tnt or crazy larry type of thing.

If you guys can make a TCM tuner that has differnt settings would be a huge seller.
yea that would be a huge seller.. i wood love a selectable tune. whats the estimated release date?! im gettin anxcious to buy some trans tuning bc ive heard alot of good things about mhp
 

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Most of our customers return to the dealer periodically for update flashes and warranty work. For this reason they will need a device to re-flash their TCM if the dealer flashes it. So for them to be able to return to stock and reflash is pretty huge.

We should be able to cover all the customer bases with custom tuning over time. And as always the custom tuning will be free to download from our website....


Not trying to start anything either but i just wana know why i should buy yours over theres type of thing. I guess being able to take your tune out is kinda cool but i have no reason to take take it out unless i sell my truck and i plan on haveing it for a long time to come so not exactly a huge selling point to me. Iam more worried about haveing a tune for us guys that want a super hard shifting trans for raceing then a firm shifting tune for commuteing/towing.

I think that a TCM tuner that has differnt settings that you can change with say maybe a race mode that we can purchase extra sorta like a hot un-lock or tnt or crazy larry type of thing.

If you guys can make a TCM tuner that has differnt settings would be a huge seller.
 

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H&S any idea when the trans tuning will be available?
 

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Competition drives Innovation

I don't want this to get into anything ugly, so I will state the facts on what the H&S TCM tuning will do and then you guys may be able to actually compare a little. Of course the H&S tuning has not been released, so there will be no way of doing a comparison on that end of it.

I will say this, the H&S software will allow you to download and return your TCM to stock as many times as you want, in your driveway. We will also of course, always be working on custom tunes depending on the demand of the customer. These custom tunes will not be available at initial release, but will come slowly as the custom engine tuning downloads have. The "xrt" style tcm tuner will work with other horsepower modifiers as well, ie edge, smarty, superchips, etc. It will, however, work best with the H&S tuning, because it was tailored to match our tunes.

I have heard nothing but good things coming from the MHP tunes and their abilities. So by NO means am I saying anything negative towards them. As always we view the competition to be a challenge towards us, to build our products better, more cost effective, and keep the customer support to a premium.


Thank you for the kind words !! Much appreciated.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that competition Drives Innovation.

I have been following the posts regarding this "xrt" style tcm variable tuner with interest!!

The years I spent as the system designer and product developer for Stainless Works and before that, as a Race tuner/fueler specialist for Harley-Davidson taught me that perfomance is a living, breathing process that benefits from competition. Nothing fuels innovation like competition.

I am curious as to the launch date of this new product. You mentioned that custom tunes will not be available at first but slowly over a period of time.

Will that be driven by customers with various mods and engine control units making requests for their particular applications?

Also what would the anticipated total cost be for a consumer to purchase the xrt style unit plus three or four custom tunes (if they are not stocked as an available tune) that they can change back and forth from?

We currently have the mhp tcm tune package we call the "tweaner package" where customers can have their own stock tcm upgraded to a stage1,
then a stage2, then a stage 3...... as they add performance modifications to their truck.

I will follow your posts and product development with much interest!!



Again, thank you for the kind words, and best wishes on the new project.

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as long as there is a real race version i will be happy, it does suck that you cant just add this to the xrt because i dont really want 2 different things i gotta plug in if i could have it all in one. selectible TCM tunes is key in my book
 

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I don't want this to get into anything ugly, so I will state the facts on what the H&S TCM tuning will do and then you guys may be able to actually compare a little. Of course the H&S tuning has not been released, so there will be no way of doing a comparison on that end of it.

I will say this, the H&S software will allow you to download and return your TCM to stock as many times as you want, in your driveway. We will also of course, always be working on custom tunes depending on the demand of the customer. These custom tunes will not be available at initial release, but will come slowly as the custom engine tuning downloads have. The "xrt" style tcm tuner will work with other horsepower modifiers as well, ie edge, smarty, superchips, etc. It will, however, work best with the H&S tuning, because it was tailored to match our tunes.

I have heard nothing but good things coming from the MHP tunes and their abilities. So by NO means am I saying anything negative towards them. As always we view the competition to be a challenge towards us, to build our products better, more cost effective, and keep the customer support to a premium.
I'm sorry, but I really didn't get but two pieces of info out of that post. 1) you can return your TCM to stock and 2) It is going to be a standalone programmer that is compatible with Smarty, Edge, Etc., which I'm excited to know!

I know you can't go into great detail, but what else is it going to do in its first "canned" form that comes out? Will it have user selectable settings? For instance shift firmness or possibly shift points?

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I will be one of the first in line.This is huge for me, I have bin waiting a long time to get this done. Thanks H&S.
 

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I'll be choosing an H&S tuned TCM incase anyone wondered. :lol3:
I would never have guessed that one.:hehe::hehe::hehe::thumbsup:

I too will be waiting to see how this works. Sounds like a good option for anyone. That is a great selling benifit.
I would also like to thank those that are keeping this thread very civil and informative. Keep up the good work.
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I'm confused. I thought the blackmaxx was going to be able to tune the TCM? We have to buy another stand alone tuner now????

EDIT- Nevermind, just read the other thread.
 

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As stated previously by H&S, we look forward to their release of a trans programmer and have nothing negative to say about them. It's a large market and there's no reason there can't be more than one trans tuner.

With that being said I believe there are some key points that need to be addressed regarding the differences between our bench flash with 100% map access and a tool or piggback component that only allows modification of some maps.

The thing to always keep in mind when it comes to software is that you're paying for the experience and knowledge of the tuner himself when purchasing a remap/tune. Our 68RFE tuner is a 25+ year Chrysler factory apprentice trained tuner with continued access to OEM facilities and testing equipment including a transmission dyno, and other factory support from Dearborn. He is easily the most experienced and respected Chrylser tuner on earth.

Aside from that, a tuner needs to know not only what tables/values to modify, but how to modify them, and also where said maps are located. We've had all this info for over 3 years, so it's going to be tough if not impossible to compete with what we bring to the table when it comes to a 100% 68RFE TCM remap. Again knowledge is everything and we are way ahead of the game.

Now with that being said, there's probably a portion of the market that would gladly pay less $ for a product that modifies less maps, leaving the door open for another successful trans tuning product that can deliver along those lines.

Anyway, I hope I didn't step on anyone's toes, just trying to add some info to the thread.


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i can promise you that you WILL step on some toes with that one..
that being said, you are correct, it seems to me that the h&s is going to be a canned tune not a complete custom remap mod for mod
 

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As stated previously by H&S, we look forward to their release of a trans programmer and have nothing negative to say about them. It's a large market and there's no reason there can't be more than one trans tuner.

With that being said I believe there are some key points that need to be addressed regarding the differences between our bench flash with 100% map access and a tool or piggback component that only allows modification of some maps.

The thing to always keep in mind when it comes to software is that you're paying for the experience and knowledge of the tuner himself when purchasing a remap/tune. Our 68RFE tuner is a 25+ year Chrysler factory apprentice trained tuner with continued access to OEM facilities and testing equipment including a transmission dyno, and other factory support from Dearborn. He is easily the most experienced and respected Chrylser tuner on earth.

Aside from that, a tuner needs to know not only what tables/values to modify, but how to modify them, and also where said maps are located. We've had all this info for over 3 years, so it's going to be tough if not impossible to compete with what we bring to the table when it comes to a 100% 68RFE TCM remap. Again knowledge is everything and we are way ahead of the game.

Now with that being said, there's probably a portion of the market that would gladly pay less $ for a product that modifies less maps, leaving the door open for another successful trans tuning product that can deliver along those lines.

Anyway, I hope I didn't step on anyone's toes, just trying to add some info to the thread.


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Just a heads up so those reading this, don't get confused. We are writing the entire software calibration just as the competition does. Nothing is "piggybacking", it is a 100% calibration re-write.
We have also found that those trained by the factory are not always 100% knowledgeable, new discoveries can ALWAYS be made in how the processor communicates and translates the changes we make. These discoveries are likely things that the software was not even designed to do, and thus can not be trained to anyone. It all depends on how much time is spent on this project.

Once again, we enjoy the challenge and are always out to provide the best product for our customers.
 
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yup shes slowly heading for the toilet may as well help her out with a plunger....

h&s, How can you make a custom tune for something with a canned premade tune?
MHP, are all of your tunes the same, or do you actually customize anything?
 

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yup shes slowly heading for the toilet may as well help her out with a plunger....

h&s, How can you make a custom tune for something with a canned premade tune?
MHP, are all of your tunes the same, or do you actually customize anything?
And you are leading this thread there. :stirpot:
They have both posted up what each has to offer.
 
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And you are leading this thread there. :stirpot:
They have both posted up what each has to offer.
i did say i was going to help with a plunger....:thumbsup:

and i simply ask if either of the two actually had custom tunes or if they were all premade canned tunes, thats a relevant question and we both know it...:buttkick:
 
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