[aaaslayer]

Hello,

I am curious on your thoughts on what will provide me more articulation.....a Carli or Thuren Swaybar, or the factory sway bar BUT with BDS quick disconnects which is essentially NO sway bar.

http://www.rockridge4wd.com/i-23157...ram-03-13-2500-3500-with-3-8-lift-122413.html


Truck rides really rough on trails and looking for some articulation. Any suggestions?

 

[Diesel1892]

No sway bar will always give you the most. That said the Carli is a good improvement over stock. It’s a good mix between articulation and keeping it handling well at higher speeds. The stock is brutal off road.

 

[aaaslayer]

No sway bar will always give you the most. That said the Carli is a good improvement over stock. It’s a good mix between articulation and keeping it handling well at higher speeds. The stock is brutal off road.

Thank you for your input. I don't do high speed runs offroad so that's not an issue. I'm thinking of just going with Thuren as I remember years back he sold his sway bar with QD end links. Haven't seen that anymore but I wonder if asked, he can do it for a bit more. I'd rather do the Thuren with QD end links if possible over stock with QD end links. Yes you are right, the stock sway bar is brutal off road. Truck bounces around way too much left to right.

 

[Diesel1892]

If I was doing heavy off-roading and going over large rocks or deep dips I would do disconnects front and rear. For me I was looking for strong off-road manners and improved on road as well. The Carli sway bar I used made a big difference on road as well. Going into speed bumps or entrance dips on an angle is pretty smooth now. With the stock bar it would nearly throw you from the seat. The best setup for you would probably be Carli/Thuren bar with disconnects and add disconnects to the rear as well. Won’t get any better than that and disconnects are usually relatively inexpensive.

 

[Bama Ram]

I agree Thuren sway bar definitely! I’m about to place an order for one. My truck beats my on these gravel roads up here!

Greg A on YouTube did a video before and after install on his 2018 3500. Not sure what the name of the video was...he’s got a ton of videos!

 

[bcflyfisher]

I removed my front sway bar in the first couple weeks of owning the truck. Way better flex and you get used to the body roll pretty quick on the winding turns. I actually had to install limiting straps after ripping a front shock apart.

 

[HeavyTwo]

On all my trucks, I've removed the sway bars. Rides much better. Never had an issue.

 

[aaaslayer]

I removed my front sway bar in the first couple weeks of owning the truck. Way better flex and you get used to the body roll pretty quick on the winding turns. I actually had to install limiting straps after ripping a front shock apart.

You must have flexed the hell out of it to have a front shock come apart. What straps did you use? Have a link or pictures? Are you on a lift? I assume so since you're on 37s. I am stock height, wondering if I'd need limit straps.

 

[aaaslayer]

On all my trucks, I've removed the sway bars. Rides much better. Never had an issue.

So on your 2014 you drive around with no front or rear sway bar? It doesn't sway around side to side like crazy? My fear is losing control on the highway when going 80mph. I'd do disconnects front and rear instead. I haven't seen them for the rear though only BDS for the fronts

 

[GlennRMK]

I see those disconnects only go up to 2013 2500 trucks?

Anyone making them for 14+? Seems like it would make a for smoother ride

 

[EricPeterson]

The BDS discos rattle like mad without frequent lubes. Disappointing.

 

[Leez2wags]

Keep in mind most competition rock crawlers use swaybar a still. They can actually increase downforce on the wheel with the most traction.
I run the Thuren. Ran the carli and it was a bit stiffer in all honesty than the Thuren one. Thuren’s end links seem to be better as they are a round style poly bushing. I prefer running a swaybar as it actually helps in higher speed maneuvers offroad compared to no swaybar (ran no swaybar for years on a 6” kit) also the factory bar sucks wieners on road and small dips or height increases like driveways etc. always makes you smash around in the cab compared to how a Thuren or carli bar works. I swear my truck corners better with the Thuren bar compared to the factory one too... it obviously leans a tad more but it seems to lean and bite way more I find myself taking off ramps faster and faster. For these reasons I run a Thuren bar on my offroad truck and my daily truck.

And my offroad truck flexing with the Thuren bar:

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[DarylB]

I have the BDS swaybar disconnects. Just got back from Moab. Biggest limitation is going to be your factory radius arms unless you have a power wagon.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pnnJiPacYGQ8U6SyA1N2vv1RWlU8HM1A/view?usp=sharing

 

[OCVeloMan]

Keep in mind most competition rock crawlers use swaybar a still. They can actually increase downforce on the wheel with the most traction.
I run the Thuren. Ran the carli and it was a bit stiffer in all honesty than the Thuren one.

What's the rate of the Thuren bar? Our's tapers from a 1.120" to a 1" Torsion bar. If it's the same diameter as ours, the rate should be the same. If you're getting extra squish from his, you're likely feeling all those bushings deflect vs. the Heat-treated 5/8" FK heims in ours. That was the reason we went with heimed links, to avoid the additional deflection of the bushings.

 

[Rhinopkc]

Your articulation will be affected by your shock length and radius arms before the torsion sway bar. The rear arms also bind up pretty bad. If you want to actually crawl a CTD truck, you would be better off with a leaf sprung model, and even better yet, a pre-13 one.

 

[Leez2wags]

Paul is right the new radius arm trucks don’t flex worth compared to leaf springs and the four link front end.

I think the carli bar is a tad thicker Dan, I did compare the two when I ditched the carli bar for the Thuren and remember thinking the Thuren one did look thinner in the center section. I believe thuren made his that way to work better at higher speeds offroad and he uses those cool spherical bushings because they are quiet and take grease. One thing about Thuren bar I really liked was the weld on arms. The carli arm’s being pinched to the bar did have some play after a year and I can see that slowly eating away at the bar and causing longevity problems.


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[Diesel1892]

I wonder if you had an older Carli bar or something. I’ve had mine on close to a year and it’s still as tight as when it was put on. It’s snug even before clamping, once clamped I don’t see how it could become loose unless the bolt loosened up.

 

[Walker111]

Articulation, sway bar disconnects up front. Comfort, air down.

 

[Rhinopkc]

I've had both, no major issues with either one. I've never seen a properly maintained, heck, even a halfway-properly maintained truck have any issues of the arms "eating away" at the bar. The bar on my truck is a take-off from a truck that got beat on while testing a suspension design, then I beat on the thing for a couple of years, and nothing is getting eaten away.

 

[aaaslayer]

I wonder why the mods deleted my other thread "2.5 or 3 Inch Level Options For Rear Air Level Assist"

LOL