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There are SO many different things/ideas/whatever available in making biodiesel. I'd like to know how many of you are currently making it and how are you doing it? I want to do it but don't want to dump thousands of dollars in a "still" type set up. I've seen some things on the market that don't require a thousand dollar set up.


Thanks to all, and sorry if this is a double post.

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here is an email that i send to all that ask about biodiesel.

a few months ago i knew nothing about biodiesel and i just started reading and talking to people. there is some good help on here.

check out biodieselwarehouse.com and utah biodiesel supply


Biodiesel

The first thing is finding a good source for your used veggie oil, after that your set.
NEEDED:

Processor
Oil
Methanol
Lye or pot ash-(NaOH or KOH) (sodium or potassium hydroxide)

- Mix the lye and methanol to make methoxide
- Mix the methoxide with the oil
- Let the glycerin settle to the bottom (a by product that can be used to make soap or fertilizer)
- Drain off glycerin
- Wash the biodiesel with water
- Let the water settle
- Drain off the water
- Wash up to 3 times
- Dry it
- Use it in your diesel car or truck.

That is a short version, there are other steps and test that need to be done but that will get you started.

If you have any more questions just ask.
Check out Utah biodiesel supply, they have lots of good info and videos too.

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I recently built a 75 gallon processor andit tool less than 300 bucks. I built an appleseed processor, although I have pumped it up a bit because the original plans couldn't keep up with how much bio I am making. I would say though you should start out by cruising your local resturaunts and asking for their cooking oil.
 

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its turning to buying oil from resturants rather than getting it for free. welcome to the changing times.
 

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Thanks all. I did read where restaurants were starting to sell their oil vice give it away. Nice thing around here, in VA, is that biodiesel hasn't quite taken off yet. So I'm pretty sure I can at least start off getting it for free. Plus being military I can probably get it for free from the base galley's around here. Looks like one other thing I need to do is figure out what processor I want to buy because just adding a few things and stirring it with an oar is out :lol
 

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You need to do a lot of reading , in your case from 2 points , the 1st being making bio , the second , is that there any a number if issues with common rail fuel system , emission system and bio , after reading many studies , shops ect. you need to decide what to believe , because there are some that have claimed to have a lot miles on a number of alternative fuels & not had problems , so betting your $35,000 - 50,000 dollar truck on limited info and reading is a fools bet .
Here's one I found today . Biodiesel Magazine
Then you need to judge to spend your time or your money , build a processor or buy one ?
The Appleseed [ build it ] Biodiesel classes with Maria 'girl Mark' Alovert, spring 2008
Or Bio Pro 190 or 380, can't find link .
Heres a forum for the doityourselfers . Biodiesel & SVO Forums - Powered by eve community
 

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You need to do a lot of reading , in your case from 2 points , the 1st being making bio , the second , is that there any a number if issues with common rail fuel system , emission system and bio , after reading many studies , shops ect. you need to decide what to believe , because there are some that have claimed to have a lot miles on a number of alternative fuels & not had problems , so betting your $35,000 - 50,000 dollar truck on limited info and reading is a fools bet .
Here's one I found today . Biodiesel Magazine
Then you need to judge to spend your time or your money , build a processor or buy one ?
The Appleseed [ build it ] Biodiesel classes with Maria 'girl Mark' Alovert, spring 2008
Or Bio Pro 190 or 380, can't find link .
Heres a forum for the doityourselfers . Biodiesel & SVO Forums - Powered by eve community
I run biodiesel in my CR and have quite a bit of friends that run Bio in their CR'S with no problems.
 

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Take any subject , spread it out amongst the general public , you will get many results .
Its called critical thinking , or testing , opinions do not make/fix anything .
If as an example the average dodge/Cummins can get 500,000 miles on it before major repair [ but again newer trucks do not hold up , LP , main pump , electrical issues on & on ] you run bad fuel [ does not mater if bad #2 , or anything els ] that truck that should have gotten 500,000 gets 200,000 before major issues .
The ones like your self that are doing what your doing its not good enough for my money and does not make for statistical facts , that it is good in general .
Too many unknown details , do you have a lab , outside testing , tear down engine & fuel systems ???
The point being is that those are what I have been using to gather info on deciding what to do .
I am not claiming to know all there is to know about alt. fuels , just gather info to make my own decisions and offer some answers when the subject comes up .
Just because some get away with it for how ever long , for what ever reason , can not discount all the evidence that is showing that the newer the system is , the less able you can use a variety of fuels .
 

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I am personally more into real world testing than some guy in a lab coat, I have a bone stock 05 CTD, I run Biodiesel and my truck runs great. Thats my evidence, if you would like you can come watch me pump into my truck and we can take a drive. I do agree that, bad fuel is bad fuel. Whether its bio or #2 if its all bad, you motor is going to suffer.

Possibly the info you read was from a oil company CEO trying to convince people to continue to buy #2 at 4.60 a gallon?
 

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That's one of my beef with biodiesel industry. No real world testing on multiple vehicles. How hard would that be. Have different manufactures test their diesel trucks and see what it turns up. It's too easy. I know I want to know the good and bad of biodiesel. I know it degrade rubber, what else.

Sorry for the side track.
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because it all takes money out of the oil companies pocket!!!! Think of it this way, people are all excited that a hybrid car can get 35mpg. An old school VW bug got 35mpg and you mean to tell me in 30 years we havent been able to figure out how to get a car to break the 50mpg mark yet? The reason a car hasnt got any where near 100mpg yet is because, guess what? It will affect oil companies.

Ok im done with my tangent, Sorry.
 

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because it all takes money out of the oil companies pocket!!!! Think of it this way, people are all excited that a hybrid car can get 35mpg. An old school VW bug got 35mpg and you mean to tell me in 30 years we havent been able to figure out how to get a car to break the 50mpg mark yet? The reason a car hasnt got any where near 100mpg yet is because, guess what? It will affect oil companies.

Ok im done with my tangent, Sorry.
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I also read that the first series of Model T's that came off the assembly line got an average of something like 14.5MPGs, and now our current fleet is barely better than that....

HMMM, with all the advances in technology, modern communications, internet, medical advances (the list could go on for a while fellas), you mean to tell me the combustion (or diesel engine) cannot be improved at all?? Find it hard to believe. Maybe our trucks run about as efficient as possible for the TQ/HP levels, but the rest of the vehicles on the road, i doubt...
 

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First off, the oil companies aren't making the prices, that's determined in the futures market. Second, if you'll look at an oil companies actual profits, it's only 7-8%. 7-8% is not unreasonable for a company in the business of making money.

With that being said, I can't tell you why all of our vehicles aren't getting over 50mpg (the technology is already there) but I'd imagine it has something to do with emissions, power, what we demand out of our vehicles (performance, towing, driving styles, etc), lack of infrastructure for alternative fuels (transportation, brewing, harvesting for bio fuels, etc.), and probably the oil companies.
 

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Okay guys I have seriously been looking into bio diesel hard the last few days. I have changed shifts at work probably for atleast 6 months so carpooling with others in the area is out for the past 2 weeks 4.10 gallon and 110 miles daily is racking up fast. Their is a local biodiesel plant/supplier in the area agribio fuels out of dayton, tx. Alot of the petros down here carried b20 and b100 for a few weeks then stopped selling it due to lack of truckers wanting to run it. The guy at agribio says that they only provide b99 which he said is illegal for on road usage in the state of texas as of recently and that the b100 which he offers to the general public is $4.75 a gallon I told him thanks for the info and I would be in touch and didnt think to ask him why b100 was the price it was I would think it should be cheaper then #2 pump diesel am I right? He stated I would be needing b5 I have read up a little and the general info i have read seems to point towards b20 any help or pointing in the right direction is appreciated. A buddy of mines sister in law works in HR for sunoco and she can get 55 gallon drums for a very reasonable price in any % i want any pointers on what you guys run etc. I looked into the kits recently I am an operator for a major chemical company so this should be a breeze but if I could buy it from a supplier for near the cost and save myself time and hassle of collection etc. It would be worth it to me.
 

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I'm half tempted to have your sister get me some 55gal drums. I'm doing 104 miles a day plus god knows how many on the weekends and fuel is killing me. And as far as I know, b100 is legal to run on the street. And if it's not, prove I'm running it.
 

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Tyler it isnt my sister it is a good friend of mines sister who works in the human resources department at sunoco in houston area she can get the 55 gallon drums for a super great price per gallon but you have to place downpayment on the drums and you have to use their drums which isnt much and you get it back as long as the drum comes back. As far as I know B99 is the only form of biodiesel that was banned for highway usage and b5, b20, and b100 are still able to be used. What is the deal with the b99 being so special that i dont get. Tyler I am in huntsville every weekend and if I do start getting drums mayber we could work out delivery if you want.
 

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I'm up for it. I'm spending $800/month in fuel and it's getting freaking ridiculous.
 

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Lots of bad info online and on this site.

I make bio, over 6 figures a year.

Anyone can PM me for more info or questions.
 
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