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Last night i installed the 120hp xzillaraider i purchased from a guy on here. i have it stacked with my superchips tuner and all i can say is WOW. with the tuner on high performance, 70hp, and the box on level 3, 120hp, it fuels incredibly hard. this morning i went to the store and managed to shut down the traffic behind me. :lol3: they didnt just slow down, but stayed stopped at the light once it turned green.

now on to the not so great... right after i installed it, i went on a test drive. had the superchips on performance tow, 50hp, and the box on level 2, 60hp. took off hard in second and third, then i let off and shifted to fifth. i was doing probably 35ish. decided i wanted to pass someone and gave it some throttle. as soon as the boost kicked in, the clutch started slipping. :thud:

now, i am going to replace the clutch, just need help deciding which material. i do not need a dual disc so there is no need recommending it here. also i know what company i am going to go with so again, there is no need to get into a pissing match over who is better.

i am not sure what my current HP rating is, but i know i am gonna add some RV 275s and probably be done. what i need to decide is if i want the OFE or FE clutch. i have heard that if i tow at all to go with the OFE. i do tow, but its not all that often. also want something that will give me room to grow.

what are the major differences between the OFE and the FE? HP/Torque wise, they are nearly identical.
 

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ofe is organic on one side and feramic on the other. Fe is feramic on both. Feramic is much more grabby. They say it chatters when backing up while towing. I had one in a 6sp ford and it never did chatter on me. I think you can get more life out of a fe clutch. But that is JMO.
 

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I know your saying no Dual disk. But Why not ?

I find mine to be VERY Streetable and love it. the pedal is a little stiff, But i only use the clutch @ Traffic lights, and to start rolling from home.. Other then that, Its all about clutchless shifting.


In my opinion if your gonna change it and plan on adding injectors (You say thats it but, cmon. Who are you kidding ? LOL) Id go dual disk. Its extra insurance..

My $.02

All i know is i put some 7x14's and a Monster stage II Vp in the other day and not one bit of slip.. :peelout
 

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ofe is organic on one side and feramic on the other. Fe is feramic on both. Feramic is much more grabby. They say it chatters when backing up while towing. I had one in a 6sp ford and it never did chatter on me. I think you can get more life out of a fe clutch. But that is JMO.
thanks for the input. i guess i should have clarified... i know the differences on the outside as far as material makeup goes. i would like some real life experiences as why i should pick the FE over the OFE.

i have read some people say that had no problems towing/backing trailers with the FE. i do not want to put a clutch in this truck that wont allow me to use it as a truck.

i normally drive it pretty easy. i plan to drive with the superchips on performance tow, as i always have, and the box on level 1, 30hp. that being said, i want to have the ability to drop the clutch in second gear at 2500rpm with both boxes turned up and know that my clutch is gonna hold. i want to have the thing turned all the way up and get on it in 6th and know that the clutch is gonna hold.

if all the above means i need to buy the FE clutch and live with the slight issues with a trailer hooked up then so be it. i have towed with this truck only a few times in the year and a half that i have had it. the heaviest load was ~13,000 pulling through the hills of east texas. the lightest being my buddy's 27" boat with the top folded down so it acted as one hell of a kite.
 

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I know your saying no Dual disk. But Why not ?

I find mine to be VERY Streetable and love it. the pedal is a little stiff, But i only use the clutch @ Traffic lights, and to start rolling from home.. Other then that, Its all about clutchless shifting.


In my opinion if your gonna change it and plan on adding injectors (You say thats it but, cmon. Who are you kidding ? LOL) Id go dual disk. Its extra insurance..

My $.02

All i know is i put some 7x14's and a Monster stage II Vp in the other day and not one bit of slip.. :peelout

biggest reason for not going with dual disk is cost. i dont want to spend ~$2K on a clutch right now on something that i drive everyday. if it was a play toy then i would go for it. also, i think the DD is a a little overkill right now and by a little i mean a lot. i dont know what my current HP numbers are, but i would bet a years salary that they arent above 500hp.
 

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I'm just going to say this without looking to start an argument. I assume you are talking about getting a Southbend when you refer to dual disk being about 2 grand. A good single disk is going to run you what about 1000-1100?

Do you realize a dual disk from Valair can be had for about $1200 or less?

Same quality, different name, half the price.

Brand loyalty costs a lot :$:.
 

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Well then I vote fe for toughness it was a great clutch for me and I was not move to it! Held up great to 506hp and 1047tq so I was very happy with mine!
 

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I'm just going to say this without looking to start an argument. I assume you are talking about getting a Southbend when you refer to dual disk being about 2 grand. A good single disk is going to run you what about 1000-1100?

Do you realize a dual disk from Valair can be had for about $1200 or less?

Same quality, different name, half the price.

Brand loyalty costs a lot :$:.

Boy does this get old.

First off, Our single disc clutches for six speed trucks run from $500 to $800 not $1000 to $1100. Our dual disc clutches start at $1300. As for the said company being $1200 or less? you may want to check your information again. As for quality, that is a matter of opinion.

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I'm just going to say this without looking to start an argument. I assume you are talking about getting a Southbend when you refer to dual disk being about 2 grand. A good single disk is going to run you what about 1000-1100?

Do you realize a dual disk from Valair can be had for about $1200 or less?

Same quality, different name, half the price.

Brand loyalty costs a lot :$:.

price estimate was a guess. i have yet to decide if i go with a Valair or Southbend. price will be one factor, but not the only.

as stated earlier, if this truck was just a play toy and i planned to go big( dont right now, but maybe after its paid off in 3 years) i would go dual disk. i think that dual disk is overkill right now and from everything i read, they are hard to tow trailers with.


anyone else with real life experiences? i will probably be giving both Southbend and Valair a call in the next week or so.
 

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a dual disk from both companies is about a hundred dollars difference. once you get the hydro upgrade and billet input shafts (which in my opinion is the only way to go) you are looking at close to the same price from both companies. i had about 5 price quotes from sponsors on here for a SBC DD 3600 12 button ceramic clutch with hydro upgrade and billet input shaft and another 5 quotes for the same setup from valair. the lowestprice for the sbc setup was $2250 shipped, and my lowest price for the valair was like$2150 shipped no joke.i am happy with my valair single as far as it holding the power, i just wish i had gone dd simply because i want to sled pull and do stupid ignorant stuff in my truck. valair makes good clutches, this is my first one from them and there customer service is very good. i have also owned SBC before and was far from dissapointed. i dont think you can go wrong with either company just pick the clutch you want and get prices and buy the one that is in your price range. like i said i have no harsh words against either companies, bother are great guys!!!!
 

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sorry i priced the 3850 plate load from both companies, dont know if that makes a difference but...
 

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Valair will release a Ductile Iron DD in the next 2 months with a very affordable price. It is not desinged for competition, but for street use and persons towing with 500 hp and up.
 

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price estimate was a guess. i have yet to decide if i go with a Valair or Southbend. price will be one factor, but not the only.

as stated earlier, if this truck was just a play toy and i planned to go big( dont right now, but maybe after its paid off in 3 years) i would go dual disk. i think that dual disk is overkill right now and from everything i read, they are hard to tow trailers with.


anyone else with real life experiences? i will probably be giving both Southbend and Valair a call in the next week or so.
i pull a trailer every day with my dual disk and barely notice any difference compared to the stock clutch. (the newer sprung hub dualdisks are very similar to the stock clutch) make sure you go with a sprung hub clutch
 
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