[BigPuffDiesel]

I am swapping the G56 into my 2008 2500 6.7 that originally had the 68RFE. The truck has an Industrial crate engine with full emissions delete, and has compound turbos and looks to have had an EFI Live tuner. The truck has an OBD jack on it that leads up to a 5-way switch on the steering column. There is also a plug underneath the dash that has 4 pins, which I assume is where the controller would attach. Anyway, I need to flash the ECM to a manual tune in order to start the engine.

My question is, what is the best route in order to keep all of the tunes on the engine as well as the emissions deletes, but with a manual tune? Do I need to order another FlashScan and have a company write me a tune? Can I send them my tune I have in order to write a new one?

To be clear, I am happy with my current setup but just need my ECM to realize that it's running a manual transmission and transfer case

 

[BigPuffDiesel]

Anyone out there?

 

[StealthDiesel]

The current custom delete EFI Live programs on your FlashScan/Autocal are likely locked by the programmer/company that created them.
That means no one else will be able to do anything with your current ECM program.

Do you know which programmer/company originally created/sold your current EFI programs?
If they are still in business, still around and willing, they will be able to modify your custom programs for your manual trans swap.

If none of the above is possible then you should start researching/shopping for a new EFI Live programmer and start from scratch.

In another similar thread, someone suggested that you take your truck to a Chrysler dealer to reflash it.
No Chrysler dealer will be able to flash an auto trans ECM with a manual trans program, plus no Chrysler dealer will be able to do anything with an ECM running a custom delete program.

 

[BigPuffDiesel]

The person I bought my truck from said that Industrial Injection in Salt Lake City, Utah did all of the engine work as well as the tuning. When they tuned the ecm, they kept the Autocal. This was done a number of years ago, and I'm not sure if they have the tunes still available. Even so, I'd rather not have my truck hauled to Utah from Iowa. I found a shop in Des Moines IA that does work on Dodge Cummins and said they should be able to get a program for it which is probably what I'll end up doing. As far as not being able to manual flash an auto ECM, does that just go for a dealer? Because I've heard of people doing the cross flashes all the time on these years of trucks.

 

[StealthDiesel]

The person I bought my truck from said that Industrial Injection in Salt Lake City, Utah did all of the engine work as well as the tuning. When they tuned the ecm, they kept the Autocal. This was done a number of years ago, and I'm not sure if they have the tunes still available. Even so, I'd rather not have my truck hauled to Utah from Iowa. I found a shop in Des Moines IA that does work on Dodge Cummins and said they should be able to get a program for it which is probably what I'll end up doing. As far as not being able to manual flash an auto ECM, does that just go for a dealer? Because I've heard of people doing the cross flashes all the time on these years of trucks.

If you like your current ECM programs, why not give Industrial Injection a call?
They may still have your ECM programs on file. Then they could convert it or create manual trans version for you.
Email you the programs and ship you a FlashScan/Autocal and you program your truck in your garage.

That might be cheaper than starting from scratch.

 

[BigPuffDiesel]

If you like your current ECM programs, why not give Industrial Injection a call?
They may still have your ECM programs on file. Then they could convert it or create manual trans version for you.
Email you the programs and ship you a FlashScan/Autocal and you program your truck in your garage.

That might be cheaper than starting from scratch.

sorry its taking so long to reply, kind of forgot about the forums. i ended up having it towed to a shop so we'll see what they say. i think i might have messed something up though, because when i turn the key on, the fuel pump keeps clicking on and off real fast as well as the exhaust brake light flashes fast. tried plugging the 68rfe back in as well as the shift controls and engine still wouldn't crank. had codes saying lost communication with ecm/pcm and tipm... also already pinned pin 4 to ground

 

[RVTRKN]

EFILive can be removed from the ECM, as long as you saved the original tune. But buying it used and not having any EFILive support for it can complicate your issue, not to mention your even reprogramming for a Manual configuration. If it were mine, I buy a new ECM and find a manual truck at a scrap yard and use the VIN number from that to order a new tune. I had EFILive on my 07 3500 DRW C&C 6.7 & a G56 with the DPF and related equipment still intact, and I loved it. But due to EPA clamping down on deleting programing, stay away from an AutoCal and get A V2 programer, however you still need a expert to program. EFILive parameters with the V2 can be programed by yourself, but caution is advised when programing it yourself.

 

[BigPuffDiesel]

EFILive can be removed from the ECM, as long as you saved the original tune. But buying it used and not having any EFILive support for it can complicate your issue, not to mention your even reprogramming for a Manual configuration. If it were mine, I buy a new ECM and find a manual truck at a scrap yard and use the VIN number from that to order a new tune. I had EFILive on my 07 3500 DRW C&C 6.7 & a G56 with the DPF and related equipment still intact, and I loved it. But due to EPA clamping down on deleting programing, stay away from an AutoCal and get A V2 programer, however you still need a expert to program. EFILive parameters with the V2 can be programed by yourself, but caution is advised when programing it yourself.

I went ahead and sent it off to a performance shop. I was honestly tired of dealing with it. I did what
StealthDiesel recommended and contacted Industrial Injection. I don't expect a reply until Monday, but the shop I took my truck to said that would help them quite a bit, and would be what I'd prefer. Hopefully they'll still have the tune, I'd assume that they use those tunes with all of their 6.7 Cummins that they work on, fingers crossed.

 

[RVTRKN]

There is a lot of options with EFILive, once you get the tune figured out, if you chose the V2 or equivalent (they have upgraded there systems since I had EFILive) you'll be able to adjust the tune as needed, again being careful. The 5 tune switch was a plus on my truck, you can switch tunes on the fly. If I remember correctly there was an Econo, light tow, heavy tow, performance and a close to a stock tune with a little more enhancement, that Idaho Rob programed. Mine was an Auto Cal that Idaho Rob tuned for the emissions intact tuning, but EPA fined him and he had to shut down his web site and could no longer support it. That is why the V2 or equivalent is so important, you can tune them yourself if the initial tuner gets busted and can't support the Auto Cal. EFILive support is available from EFILive if you tune them yourself. (EFILive - Home) I recommend their tuning due to versatility of the tunes. They have a site, if you have a windows based computer, that you can configure tunes and see your data logging, important if your tune yourself. (EFILive - Download EFILive)

 

[BigPuffDiesel]

There is a lot of options with EFILive, once you get the tune figured out, if you chose the V2 or equivalent (they have upgraded there systems since I had EFILive) you'll be able to adjust the tune as needed, again being careful. The 5 tune switch was a plus on my truck, you can switch tunes on the fly. If I remember correctly there was an Econo, light tow, heavy tow, performance and a close to a stock tune with a little more enhancement, that Idaho Rob programed. Mine was an Auto Cal that Idaho Rob tuned for the emissions intact tuning, but EPA fined him and he had to shut down his web site and could no longer support it. That is why the V2 or equivalent is so important, you can tune them yourself if the initial tuner gets busted and can't support the Auto Cal. EFILive support is available from EFILive if you tune them yourself. (EFILive - Home) I recommend their tuning due to versatility of the tunes. They have a site, if you have a windows based computer, that you can configure tunes and see your data logging, important if your tune yourself. (EFILive - Download EFILive)

I think I'll wait to see what the shop says, and If Industrial will contact me back. Seems to be damn near impossible to reach those people through email.

 

[RVTRKN]

Any updates on your truck?

 

[BigPuffDiesel]

Any updates on your truck?

Nothing yet. Still at the shop. I wasn't able to get ahold of industrial injection, so that doesn't really help the situation

 

[BigPuffDiesel]

Any updates on your truck?

ok, so i just got ahold of them and they said their tunewriters that they work with won't write anything for my truck. so basically they won't fix my truck. i don't really know what to do at this point because i don't know enough about computers or tuning to be confident in doing it myself, because as you all know, any small screw up could wind up being an expensive fix, and im already around 10k into the swap already. this is growing to be the biggest a$$ pain ive dealt with.

 

[BigPuffDiesel]

There is a lot of options with EFILive, once you get the tune figured out, if you chose the V2 or equivalent (they have upgraded there systems since I had EFILive) you'll be able to adjust the tune as needed, again being careful. The 5 tune switch was a plus on my truck, you can switch tunes on the fly. If I remember correctly there was an Econo, light tow, heavy tow, performance and a close to a stock tune with a little more enhancement, that Idaho Rob programed. Mine was an Auto Cal that Idaho Rob tuned for the emissions intact tuning, but EPA fined him and he had to shut down his web site and could no longer support it. That is why the V2 or equivalent is so important, you can tune them yourself if the initial tuner gets busted and can't support the Auto Cal. EFILive support is available from EFILive if you tune them yourself. (EFILive - Home) I recommend their tuning due to versatility of the tunes. They have a site, if you have a windows based computer, that you can configure tunes and see your data logging, important if your tune yourself. (EFILive - Download EFILive)

so there are multiple types of efi programmers that im seeing. theres the autocal v3 license, autocal vin license, flashscan v3 license, flashscan v2 license... what is the difference between the flashscan and the autocal, and which one would i need (or should i get) in order to tune, and if for some reason the company that tuned my truck didn't lock the tunes from outsiders, which one would i need to get in order to change the transmission parameter, and what is the vin license and serial number and auth number and do i need them? which program do i need to download? this stuff is really confusing, but im about to the point of attempting this myself seeing as theres not much other options. also, why would i have to get another ecm, and why would i need to get another vin from a manual truck? im guessing the vin will identify the transmission type, but i figured that transmission type or the ecm seeing the pcm inputs was a set of parameters that you could change whilst tuning in the efi live program. i know im asking a lot of questions here, but im on my last leg here. i know there has to be a way to make this work, i only need to know how to make it work.

 

[RVTRKN]

I'm no expert on programing, but what I understand of EFILive Auto Cal, it is a single license that a programer can program a standard tune (enhanced non stock tune) and is locked to your VIN and can not be changed unless the original tuner changes it, at a cost of coarse. The V3 is fully programable by you for your VIN, which will be an issue due to the Manual vrs auto trans. Here is a link to EFILive contact info. Contact Us - EFILive Service Desk You will need to contact EFILive direct which is not easy because it is a New Zealand based company. here is a link for dealers. EFILive - Dealers

You can thank EPA for your troubles, they have fined, closed and harassed US business that program them, but they can't stop you from programing your own. I believe that they have base tunes you can then alter to your needs, but your going to have to become an expert on EFILive.

The reason I think you need a VIN from a wrecked manual truck, is for EFILive to get you the tune you need. Your ECM is probably locked from changes unless you have the original tune from that truck, which would be impossible for you because you didn't install it yourself.

 

[StealthDiesel]

So where are we at here?

2008 6.7L deleted with compound turbos, now converted to a G56 manual trans from an auto 68RFE..
Still has an Industrial Injection EFI Live auto trans delete program in the ECM

Industrial Injection most likely won't update your EFI Live tune because they won't deal with deleted trucks anymore.


So at this point you are starting from scratch. Just like you deleted the truck and swapped in the G56 manual trans yesterday.
You need to find an EFI Live vendor/programmer who supports deletes and can convert your ECM program to a manual trans.
There is no need for a new VIN number or a new ECM.

This wont' be easy... These days in the US, you need to know a guy, who knows a guy, who will meet you at midnite in a back alley.
There are some Canadian options that may help you.

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The truck must have a full complement of gauges or monitor of some kind. If not, a Smarty MM3 monitor/programmer is another option also.
This is a monitor/programmer that needs still needs a custom ECM program from a programmer loaded on it to work.

 

[BigPuffDiesel]

So where are we at here?

2008 6.7L deleted with compound turbos, now converted to a G56 manual trans from an auto 68RFE..
Still has an Industrial Injection EFI Live auto trans delete program in the ECM

Industrial Injection most likely won't update your EFI Live tune because they won't deal with deleted trucks anymore.


So at this point you are starting from scratch. Just like you deleted the truck and swapped in the G56 manual trans yesterday.
You need to find an EFI Live vendor/programmer who supports deletes and can convert your ECM program to a manual trans.
There is no need for a new VIN number or a new ECM.

This wont' be easy... These days in the US, you need to know a guy, who knows a guy, who will meet you at midnite in a back alley.
There are some Canadian options that may help you.

Engine Management

Custom Flatbed & Deck designs, 3D Models, Blueprints & Complete builds! Mobile Welding Rig Service, Mobile Mechanic, Advanced Engine Management & more!

optimalwelding.com

The truck must have a full complement of gauges or monitor of some kind. If not, a Smarty MM3 monitor/programmer is another option also.
This is a monitor/programmer that needs still needs a custom ECM program from a programmer loaded on it to work.

Youre absolutely right. I finally got ahold of industrial and they said that they don't tune anymore because of stupid epa. Also I was under the impression that smarty doesnt do deletes... I would like to keep efi live since it already has the hardware for it. Is there maybe a Canadian company that could write me a special tune for my ecm? I found a website that can send an efi live unit with the 5 different tunes for like 800 bucks, maybe they can write one for my deletes and compound turbos and upgraded injection? Seems like a very special case here, and I'm not sure what injectors it has or what specs they are as well as the turbos.

 

[BigPuffDiesel]

So where are we at here?

2008 6.7L deleted with compound turbos, now converted to a G56 manual trans from an auto 68RFE..
Still has an Industrial Injection EFI Live auto trans delete program in the ECM

Industrial Injection most likely won't update your EFI Live tune because they won't deal with deleted trucks anymore.


So at this point you are starting from scratch. Just like you deleted the truck and swapped in the G56 manual trans yesterday.
You need to find an EFI Live vendor/programmer who supports deletes and can convert your ECM program to a manual trans.
There is no need for a new VIN number or a new ECM.

This wont' be easy... These days in the US, you need to know a guy, who knows a guy, who will meet you at midnite in a back alley.
There are some Canadian options that may help you.

Engine Management

Custom Flatbed & Deck designs, 3D Models, Blueprints & Complete builds! Mobile Welding Rig Service, Mobile Mechanic, Advanced Engine Management & more!

optimalwelding.com

The truck must have a full complement of gauges or monitor of some kind. If not, a Smarty MM3 monitor/programmer is another option also.
This is a monitor/programmer that needs still needs a custom ECM program from a programmer loaded on it to work.

Ok so I opened that link, and it seems like a viable option since they actually ask what kind of mods you have. Thanks for that. I'll give then a holler and see what they can do

 

[BigPuffDiesel]

So where are we at here?

2008 6.7L deleted with compound turbos, now converted to a G56 manual trans from an auto 68RFE..
Still has an Industrial Injection EFI Live auto trans delete program in the ECM

Industrial Injection most likely won't update your EFI Live tune because they won't deal with deleted trucks anymore.


So at this point you are starting from scratch. Just like you deleted the truck and swapped in the G56 manual trans yesterday.
You need to find an EFI Live vendor/programmer who supports deletes and can convert your ECM program to a manual trans.
There is no need for a new VIN number or a new ECM.

This wont' be easy... These days in the US, you need to know a guy, who knows a guy, who will meet you at midnite in a back alley.
There are some Canadian options that may help you.

Engine Management

Custom Flatbed & Deck designs, 3D Models, Blueprints & Complete builds! Mobile Welding Rig Service, Mobile Mechanic, Advanced Engine Management & more!

optimalwelding.com

The truck must have a full complement of gauges or monitor of some kind. If not, a Smarty MM3 monitor/programmer is another option also.
This is a monitor/programmer that needs still needs a custom ECM program from a programmer loaded on it to work.

Another quick question, why do I need the gauges or monitor?

 

[StealthDiesel]

Another quick question, why do I need the gauges or monitor?

2008 6.7L deleted EFI Live G56 truck with compound turbos definitely needs gauges of some kind.

I'm surprised that the truck doesn't have any. As I always say, gauges will save you time, money and stress.

EGT, boost, low side and high side fuel pressures and a real oil pressure gauge.

If you don't have any gauges at all an OBDII type monitor for your 2008 truck is easiest.
You will have to add an EGT sensor, low side lift pump fuel pressure sensor and an oil pressure sensor .

Well worth researching gauges/monitor further...