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Just kiddin. I got a guy i work with that drives a ford powerjoke and hes one of those guys that claims that ford owns cummins so i wanna clear the air once and for all. Do they or not!?
 

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Just kiddin. I got a guy i work with that drives a ford powerjoke and hes one of those guys that claims that ford owns cummins so i wanna clear the air once and for all. Do they or not!? I dont think they do but i wanna be sure.
 

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i think they do but they won't put it in the ford.
 

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NO!!! ford just used to own a large amount of shares in Cummins.
they used to have 5.9s in their F-650s instead of the P-Jokes.
 

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Ford USED to own some shares in Cummins, not anymore. Its on the Cummins website
 

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no that doesent even make sense why would competitors supply motors to each other
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, But I beleive Ford and the Powerjoke USED to be made my International, Cummins has always been Cummins, and The Duracrack is owned by Isuzu...
 

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"Navistar International Corporation (NYSE: NAV) is the parent company of International Truck and Engine Corporation, a leading producer of mid-range diesel engines, medium trucks, school buses, heavy trucks, severe service vehicles, and parts and service sold under the InternationalÒ brand. The company also is a private label designer and manufacturer of diesel engines for the pickup truck, van and SUV markets. With world headquarters in Chicago, Navistar had 2000 sales and revenues of $8.5 billion. Additional information can be found on the company’s web site at www.nav-international.com."

Media.Ford.com: Ford, Navistar International Announce Joint Venture
 

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Cummins is a publically traded stock on the NYSE.
Here is a good summary from teamsters.org website.

"Cummins, Inc. Fact Sheet
• Cummins, Inc. is headquartered at 500 Jackson Street, Box 3005, Columbus, IN 47202-3005, (812) 377-5000. Tim Solso has been the CEO since 2000. There are no dominant shareholders.
• Cummins consists of four business segments: Diesel Engines, Power Generation, Components and Distribution. The first three business segments manufacture engines for vehicles and for power generation, as well as engine-related components. The Distribution segment sells and services Cummins’ products domestically.
• Since 2001, under the current CEO, the Distribution segment has received greater strategic emphasis. After the most recent round of reorganization, the Cummins Distribution Segment in the U.S. is composed of 15 regional companies, most of which are joint ventures.
• Cummins Inc. has claimed a 45-percent increase in earnings from its joint ventures in distribution in 2005-2006, thanks to organic growth and corporate reorganization of the segment.
• Cummins has posted record sales across its business units for three consecutive years. In 2006 the company generated $11.36 billion in sales, and posted a net income of $715 million, outperforming its competitors.
• Cummins has been, for eight years running, a member of Business Ethics Top 100. Its stock is part of the ethical investment indexes generated by KLD and others.
• Cummins has a Code of Conduct, applicable to all its subsidiaries and joint ventures, requiring respect for the right of employees to freely associate in labor unions for the purpose of collective bargaining.
• Cummins has joined with other U.S.-based companies operating in China to actively oppose efforts in China to improve laws providing minimum labor rights to Chinese workers. Chinese truckmaker Dongfeng is Cummins’ second-largest customer.
• Chrysler, which manufactures Dodge Ram trucks, is Cummins’ largest customer, followed by Dongfeng and India’s Tata Motors. Other customers include KRT, CSX Rail, Verizon, Alltel, Cingular, Microsoft, and AT&T.
• Cummins has 33,500 employees, including 15,000 in the U.S. Globally 12,500 Cummins workers are represented by unions in North America, South America, Asia and Europe. In 2006, company sales were $339,000 per employee.""
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Yes this rumor is alive and well in other forums, usually forums that claim the psd and duramax are the best of the best.. :) Very comical.
 

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The Duramax, last I check, was originally designed by Isuzu, but is now full property of GM. I think GM makes the engines themselves too?
 

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I think what confuses people are the joint ventures. If Isuzu was in a 50/50 joint venture with GM to build diesels then sure it's going to seem like the two companies merged but hardly the case, especially if you walked on the Isuzu factory floor.
I don't think in the history of Cummins has Ford held even a 10/90 with them.
 

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You used to be able to go to the Cummins site and they had it posted Ford does not own Cummins.
 

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Here is a quesiton I found on I believe Cummins Faq page before they took it down for maintenance.

Q: Doesn't Ford own Cummins? If the Cummins engine is so fantastic, why doesn't Ford use the Cummins engine?

Back in the early 90's, Ford bought less than 15% of outstanding Cummins stock. Many companies buy into other products to add diversity, corner a market, or form an alliance. In 1997, Cummins repurchased all stock previously owned by Ford, and no Ford management is now on the Cummins board of directors. Since 1998 in the pickup market,
Cummins B engines are exclusively contracted to Chrysler, an arrangement that both companies are eager to continue. Ford medium duty (class 6 and 7) and heavy duty (class 8) trucks are available with Cummins B engines. Hey, if it's good enough for a Ford 10 ton truck, I think the Cummins B is adequate for my Ram pickup! You can keep your Power Stroke.
 

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Here is a quesiton I found on I believe Cummins Faq page before they took it down for maintenance.

Q: Doesn't Ford own Cummins? If the Cummins engine is so fantastic, why doesn't Ford use the Cummins engine?

Back in the early 90's, Ford bought less than 15% of outstanding Cummins stock. Many companies buy into other products to add diversity, corner a market, or form an alliance. In 1997, Cummins repurchased all stock previously owned by Ford, and no Ford management is now on the Cummins board of directors. Since 1998 in the pickup market,
Cummins B engines are exclusively contracted to Chrysler, an arrangement that both companies are eager to continue. Ford medium duty (class 6 and 7) and heavy duty (class 8) trucks are available with Cummins B engines. Hey, if it's good enough for a Ford 10 ton truck, I think the Cummins B is adequate for my Ram pickup! You can keep your Power Stroke.
 

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Hey, if it's good enough for a Ford 10 ton truck, I think the Cummins B is adequate for my Ram pickup! You can keep your Power Stroke.
:thumbsup I totalllly agree
 

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ford was better off with the international engine,and they should put a CAT in them fords :w:
 
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