Dodge Cummins Diesel Forum banner
1 - 20 of 25 Posts

· Cummins Dude
Joined
·
2,785 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Getting my fuel filters done today.

Dealer service suggested flushing the injectors. Any truth or need for this service suggestion or just fluff to get me to spend money?

Is there something I can/should easily do myself?

I only have 55,000 miles or 87,000 kms on the truck.
 

· Registered
Joined
·
3,279 Posts
That is not a required service. You are being upsold and the service advisor gets a cut. I would not want whatever chemical they have going through the injectors. Skip it especially with your low miles.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dogpatch

· Registered
Joined
·
3,279 Posts
Back in my 05 days the dealership had that service. I asked a tech i trusted what it was exactly. At that time it was a quart of Toyota transmission fluid into your fuel tank with no regard for amount of fuel in the tank. Ask them if they remove the injectors for the cleaning?? LOL.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dogpatch

· Registered
Joined
·
5,660 Posts
Getting my fuel filters done today.

Dealer service suggested flushing the injectors. Any truth or need for this service suggestion or just fluff to get me to spend money?

Is there something I can/should easily do myself?

I only have 55,000 miles or 87,000 kms on the truck.
For some reason, Cummins endorses Power Service. You could use that occasionally to make yourself feel better. I use the white (winter) bottle when we start getting close to -40 just to be safe.
 

· Cummins Dude
Joined
·
2,785 Posts
Discussion Starter · #7 ·
This is my 1st diesel and why I love this Forum....even if I look like a dumb A$$.

I suspected it would be something like putting a pint of STP or something through the system. That’s why I asked.
Just wanted to confirm before pulled a boner move.
 

· Registered
Joined
·
5,660 Posts
This is my 1st diesel and why I love this Forum....even if I look like a dumb A$$.

I suspected it would be something like putting a pint of STP or something through the system. That’s why I asked.
Just wanted to confirm before pulled a boner move.
It might be just that, but they'll likely charge you as if the fuel system was contaminated and pull each injector and clean, flush it and possibly spray check it (whether or not they actually pull them is another story).
 

· Cummins Dude
Joined
·
2,785 Posts
Discussion Starter · #9 ·
It might be just that, but they'll likely charge you as if the fuel system was contaminated and pull each injector and clean, flush it and possibly spray check it (whether or not they actually pull them is another story).
They want $225 CAD for whatever it is.

I’ll enquire on it more.
 

· Registered
Joined
·
4,868 Posts
Back in my 05 days the dealership had that service. I asked a tech i trusted what it was exactly. At that time it was a quart of Toyota transmission fluid into your fuel tank with no regard for amount of fuel in the tank. Ask them if they remove the injectors for the cleaning?? LOL.
I can almost guarantee that's what his service writer is selling him, some sort of crap they'll pour in the tank. I work at my family's dealership on my days off from the fire station and we have an injector cleaning service for gas cars but honestly anyone can do that with a can of seafoam. Clean fuel from the same station and fuel filter changes every other oil change OR if you're getting diesel from any and every place you find then change your fuel filters EVERY oil change is what we recommend. I personally get my fuel from the same place every fill up and change my filters every 5,000 miles. We've had 4 lower mileage trucks this year need the entire fuel system replaced due to crappy fuel and poor filter maintenance.
 

· Premium Member
Joined
·
15,657 Posts
Sigh, some people. :rolleyes:

Injector cleaning has been a proscribed service for a long time at dealers. They use CRC injector cleaner as a standard and it is recommended if you are not using an additive regimen or working the truck hard.

If you are not using additives then a cleaning is a good idea if you have many miles. You can do it yourself by draining and filling the OE fuel canister with cleaner, start and run the engine for about 30 seconds, then let sit 12-24 hours. Not as effective as running a constant mix of additives but it does help break up the buildup in the injectors and rail and possibly cut down the carbon on the nozzles.

You do NOT want the the injectors having issues, bad dream.
 

· Registered
Joined
·
5,660 Posts
Sigh, some people. :rolleyes:

Injector cleaning has been a proscribed service for a long time at dealers. They use CRC injector cleaner as a standard and it is recommended if you are not using an additive regimen or working the truck hard.

If you are not using additives then a cleaning is a good idea if you have many miles. You can do it yourself by draining and filling the OE fuel canister with cleaner, start and run the engine for about 30 seconds, then let sit 12-24 hours. Not as effective as running a constant mix of additives but it does help break up the buildup in the injectors and rail and possibly cut down the carbon on the nozzles.
If everyone follows the manual, then they shouldn't be using additives. The only additive recommended is Mopar Diesel fuel treatment if you don't have seasonably adjusted fuel.
 

· Cummins Dude
Joined
·
2,785 Posts
Discussion Starter · #13 ·
I let my fuel filters get down to 2% on the EVIC. Maybe that’s why he suggested it?
 
  • Like
Reactions: ArizonaRick

· Registered
Joined
·
5,660 Posts
I think it's just a standard up-sell. They're probably not fully booked up right now and have time to do some extra work if someone's willing to pay for it.
 

· Premium Member
Joined
·
15,657 Posts
If everyone follows the manual, then they shouldn't be using additives.
Horse Hockey. Both Dodge and Cummins have a clearly defined fuel quality statement. In addition the manual clearly calls out the need for additives when appropriate. Additives are appropriate ALL the time to meet the published fuel quality standard.

After 15 years of experience with the CR engines and the ULSD fuel it isn't a question anymore that additives are required.
 

· Premium Member
Joined
·
2,559 Posts
Horse Hockey. Both Dodge and Cummins have a clearly defined fuel quality statement. In addition the manual clearly calls out the need for additives when appropriate. Additives are appropriate ALL the time to meet the published fuel quality standard.

After 15 years of experience with the CR engines and the ULSD fuel it isn't a question anymore that additives are required.
Our engines nowadays are built around the ULSD 15 ppm sulfur mandate. We, as the end user at the fuel pump, don’t need to be chemists, or have to complete the refining process by adding snake oils and elixirs in order for the engine to run properly.
 

· Registered
Joined
·
4,868 Posts
Idk about diesel injector flushing being a dealership prescribed deal, but I do remember us doing what cerberuiasm is talking about with the fuel bowl years ago but we haven't been doing that on any of the 4th gen trucks. But most definitely you should be using an additive I don't care what the manual says.
 

· Premium Member
Joined
·
15,657 Posts
Our engines nowadays are built around the ULSD 15 ppm sulfur mandate. We, as the end user at the fuel pump, don’t need to be chemists, or have to complete the refining process by adding snake oils and elixirs in order for the engine to run properly.
Step away from the Kool Aid, it is blocking sound thinking.

The Bosch injection systems are built around using better fuel, both composition and cleanliness, than we have in this country. Period. End of story. You do not have to be a chemist to understand that fuel QUALITY is something completely different than a ULSD 15 PPM EPA mandate. The cracking process to remove the sulphur components does NOT guarantee that when the fuel is pumped into the vehicle tank it meets minimum spec. There is a LOT of steps and handling between the refinery and tank that can and do introduce contaminants, both solid and liquid.

Really though, the key reason for running an additive package is the cleaner components. The new trucks now have adequate filtration for water and solids for the most part but they cannot filter all of the sub-micron asphaltenes that are causing the issues with injector fouling. If one is following the issues it is obvious that this a major part of the inejction system failures and is really inherent to the ULSD and CR fuel systems with the constant fuel heating and cooling that happens. Asphaltenes are tar that is being cooked out the fuel due the cracking process that has broken the long change molecules and aromatics in dciesle down to remove the sulphur component, it is the black stuff on the fuel filter.

Tar build in the clearances in a CR injector just guarantees the internals get scored and start to fail. It is also partially responsible for the carbon buildup on nozzles that raise havoc in-cylinder. An additive package not only needs to provide better lubrication that the refiners can ever add back, but, it also needs to provide a solvent to break up deposits in the fuel system and cylinder. Without those additives I see a lot of 6.7 engines prematurely fail from washed cylinders, melted pistons, head gaskets of course, and actually burning the tips off the nozzles.

If you have an injector that is having problems from build up it is pretty easy to test by a high does of cleaner and additives to see if it will break loose and work correctly. However, even if it does it is compromised and th eonyl fix is rpelacemnt. Already replaced 3 injectors on a sub 200k 6.7 due to failures and the other 3 are done also. Running a strong additive package fixed the worst one a 4k mile trip and at least got it stop hammering the crap out of the clutch and transmission but it is still flaky depending on fuel.

Bottom line, not running additives and\or an injector cleaning periodically if you do a lot DD is just a recipe for an engine melt down. The truck shops and machine shops I periodically work with have a LOT of engines with all these problems going thru there all the time. The proof is out there if one cares to track it down.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Devilman

· Premium Member
Joined
·
15,657 Posts
Idk about diesel injector flushing being a dealership prescribed deal, but I do remember us doing what cerberuiasm is talking about with the fuel bowl years ago but we haven't been doing that on any of the 4th gen trucks. But most definitely you should be using an additive I don't care what the manual says.
You have to be careful on the SCR trucks that the cleaner is not going to compromise the DPF and other parts. You can do the same thing on a 4th gen but in the tank is a lot easier to deal with.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Devilman
1 - 20 of 25 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top