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I am thinking real hard about dropping a Fleece lift pro in the tank instead of the Fass or Airdog route for a few reasons,
location, no hanging filters, silent operation. cleaner install and no cutting into the tank.
The kit for the 4.5 Dodge year comes with the delete for the stock fuel filter and adds a separate water separator/filter combo. I have some concerned about the cold months and no stock fuel heater.
Anybody running the fleece lift pump? thoughts?
Anybody had issues with cold climates after deleting their stock fuel heater/filter?

Thanks for the help guys.
 

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I'm currently running the fleece pump in my 05. Its an awesome piece, and has been as reliable as the stock pump. I can't hear it, it keeps up great with my set up, and as you said requires zero modifications to make work. My stock lift pump was still going strong at 180k and the fleece uses 2 stock pumps so I imagine it will go longer than my truck. After all the bad stories I've read about airdog and fass I'm glad I chose fleece. My only complaint is that it still uses the 3/8 fuel lines, I'm not sure at what power they become a bottle neck but its cheap enough to just buy the rubber hose and fittings.

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I am thinking real hard about dropping a Fleece lift pro in the tank instead of the Fass or Airdog route for a few reasons,
location, no hanging filters, silent operation. cleaner install and no cutting into the tank.
The kit for the 4.5 Dodge year comes with the delete for the stock fuel filter and adds a separate water separator/filter combo. I have some concerned about the cold months and no stock fuel heater.
Anybody running the fleece lift pump? thoughts?
Anybody had issues with cold climates after deleting their stock fuel heater/filter?

Thanks for the help guys.
If you don’t have a problem dropping the tank then it’s a great option. If you are skeptical about a sump then watch the Beans Diesel torture test on YouTube.
When it comes time to order let us know at DDP as we’d love to earn your business.
Keep everyone posted with what you decide!
 

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I’m running the Fleece on my 05, feeds stock filter/water sep/fuel heater and then onto my Glacier 2mic filter. Works great.

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That a shame about fuel boss pumps, hopefully they come back.
Then on 05 + would just get Carter OEM at Rock Auto for $118 each.
IMO, nothing on the Fleece which is just 2 factory lift pumps in plastic is worth $700+.
 

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What sold me about the Fleece is it is the same price range as the Airdog and the Fast Including a sump. The lifetime warranty also puts it on the mark knowing I will never have to buy another LP again. I know guys that are on their 3-4 Airdog . The Fast seems to fair better but still know of replacements happening due to the harsh elements. One and done is cheaper then 2-3. The OEM style is less than reliable to me and although I could buy 4-5 at that price my time broke down on the road or the risk of being plastered by a semi tractor or a rampaging Chrysler town and country full loaded with groceries.
I am not trying to sell the Fleece product by any means but just stating why i went this route. If they go out of business like the fuel boss due to COVID well than I am behind again as usual. lol

I am concerned about the fuel heater delete but seems like running a good anti gel will be the solution and the more I research it they seems to be a hit or miss device anyway.

Thanks for the input guys.
 

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Well its in!!
17 PSI running through a Donaldson water separator and a CAT filter. It took an extra connector to adapt it to my existing GDP filter. I wanted to keep it so I have filtration in series.
I also knocked out the GDP tank vent mod as well as added some tubing and cheap little fuel filters to the two rollover vents so the mud and debris does not have a chance to flow into the tank. The tank was relatively clean so I am not to worried about that.
Interesting note that the tank had 2011 written on it with marker but this truck did not have the retro pump installed in the tank. It only had the stock pump on the back of the filter housing. I am not sure if its the original but interested why the tank was dropped in 2011 and not retro'd with a new pump. (I bought the truck in 2014)
I highly recommend doing this repair when infected with the COVID I found the inability to smell diesel fuel and absolute blessing as that usually nauseates me from prolonged exposure. lol
 

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Good deal I'm sure you will be happy with it, I know I love mine. Anything from fleece is top notch. People might complain about the price but its really not much of a difference once you factor in the draw straw or sump for the electric pumps, plus it wont need replacement every 2-5 years. For the people like me that already had filtration set up it's a great set up. Best of luck with the covid I'm sure its nothing serious, we got over it in 3 days.

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Thanks for posting the above info.
My truck started stumbling recently, and died on me today. Can't say for certain but I think it's the lift pump going out. My rail pressure is good, so hopefully it's not the cp3.
I have the diesel fuel filter kit, and I'd rather not remove it.
Sounds like the fleece drop in is the way to go in my situation???
 

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Thanks for posting the above info.
My truck started stumbling recently, and died on me today. Can't say for certain but I think it's the lift pump going out. My rail pressure is good, so hopefully it's not the cp3.
I have the diesel fuel filter kit, and I'd rather not remove it.
Sounds like the fleece drop in is the way to go in my situation???
I was able to diagnose my failing pump with my fuel PSI gauge (not the rail pressure). If you do the lift pump repair i would suggest dropping the tank. It was the best solution for me as opposed to tanking the bed off and hashing it out with my turnover ball. Siphon the fuel out of your tank by removing the filler neck from the fill port (this bypasses the check valve). The fuel connections on top of the tank can be a pain. Remove the rear tire and use zip ties to compress the push lock fittings on the existing lines. I battled them for an hour before learning this trick from a neighbor. Get a metric 16 deep socket for the tank strap bolts. Consider the Glacier Diesel Fuel tank vent kit. Or make your own with a bulk head. It will allow you to fill up faster and squeeze a few more gallons in your tank. Hit me up if you have any questions.
 

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Good deal I'm sure you will be happy with it, I know I love mine. Anything from fleece is top notch. People might complain about the price but its really not much of a difference once you factor in the draw straw or sump for the electric pumps, plus it wont need replacement every 2-5 years. For the people like me that already had filtration set up it's a great set up. Best of luck with the covid I'm sure its nothing serious, we got over it in 3 days.

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You are right about the complaining about the price but it really is about the same. I have defiantly been criticized by not getting on the Pass or Air Dog train (both seem like great products).
The only negative I have heard regarding these pumps is a 1/4 tank issue not reading on the fuel gauge. Seems like it sat at 1/4 and never reached empty. I saw two people post this and figure it may have been an installation orientation issue. Any issues on your end with this?
The COVID has been a breeze. A little chest congestion and lack of smell. I will take the COVID over the regular flue any day. I work in the EMS field so I was planning on catching it. lol.
 

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OP why did you delete the stock filter with the heater in it???
 
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I was able to diagnose my failing pump with my fuel PSI gauge (not the rail pressure).
This is where I need to start. I just have the touch, no mechanical guages. I need that first to verify I think. I put in the T with the big line kit.
Thanks for the info. I've pulled several tanks, should be a piece of cake.
 
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OP why did you delete the stock filter with the heater in it???
The Fleece 03-04 kits come with a 1/2inch line to run from your new tank pump to the delete bar and included filter housing with the Donaldson water separator/filter. The 03-04 kits provide all the hardware to delete the stock filter and they expect that you do so. If you have a 05+ truck it is a plug and play and you can keep your stock fuel bowl and all the connections line up. Seems like rep stated the 05+ trucks had the capabilities to run from the tank or had the in tank pump already?. Not so much on the 03-04 but after arguing with him that I already had good filtration he would sell me the pump and I could "make it work" but would need to retro the filter housing and I would restrict the flow by keeping the filter and existing line in play. They wanted the bigger line with the better filter in the mix with their system.

After researching the need for a fuel heater and found many claiming it really is not necessary if running an anti gel I opted to just buy the kit and not have to "scab" it together.
The water in fuel sensor is still in play with Fleece delete block it was easy to install. I do like this complete system better than the stock set up but as for needing the fuel heater, give me about three more months and I will let you know. lol
 
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Should the stock filter/housing be removed on 05+ trucks if you have aftermarket filters on the frame rail as I do? I have a big line from the stock housing to the cp3. I thought that was the only restriction.
 

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I don't believe anti-gel will save you if you filter out enough water.

Stock filter is usually a 5-10K mile change. The canister filters can go more than triple that easily. Most don't drain the water separator.

They make sleeve heaters you can put on the filters themselves. I added a heater to my fass. I may never need it, but I'd rather not get stranded. We hit -10*F here in the winter at times.
 

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Should the stock filter/housing be removed on 05+ trucks if you have aftermarket filters on the frame rail as I do? I have a big line from the stock housing to the cp3. I thought that was the only restriction.
I do not believe you remove the stock filter on an 05 Fleece kit. (double check on their website)
you may have to run some different line or rescue your stock existing lines provided they are not removed. The install will depend on how you are currently set up and if you have your stock stuff in play.
 

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I don't believe anti-gel will save you if you filter out enough water.

Stock filter is usually a 5-10K mile change. The canister filters can go more than triple that easily. Most don't drain the water separator.

They make sleeve heaters you can put on the filters themselves. I added a heater to my fass. I may never need it, but I'd rather not get stranded. We hit -10*F here in the winter at times.
Do you still have your stock filter/heater and an additional heater on your Fass? I usually thought with the fast system the stock set up is deleted.

We can get see the -10 and even some days the -20 but not a regular thing. Thanks for the idea on the sleeve heater I will look into that for those chilly days.
 
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