[Slowsilversmokeshow]

I am about to purchase a new engine for my truck but I want the engine to be able to make 850-900whp reliably. I don't give a **** if it takes nitrous to make that (which it shouldn't). The engine I'm looking at has new exotic head studs, 200hp injectors, haisley connecting tubes, big iron oil pan, billet tappet cover and freeze plugs, scheid so vp44, and Keaton machining fuel plate block off.
I plan on putting in a 188/220 Hamilton cam, extreme duty Hamilton pushrods, Hamilton 103# or 110# valve springs, and ARP rocker bolts. I also plan on putting a fleece coolant bypass kit on.
Question (#1) should I go with a steel or a cast cam? Should I get a cam retainer with it?
Question (#2) which valve springs should I go with and should I get titanium retainers as well
Question (#3) are the rocker bolts excessive?
Question (#4) will the scheid pump support 6*.018 or 6*.020 injectors?
Question (#5) I want it to lope a bit, what size injection lines should I buy?

Thank you all in advance!!




AND FOR ***** SAKE I AM NOT PPUMPING IT! ITS TOO EXPENSIVE AND GOES WAY BEYOND MY POWER GOALS

 

[CT21Cummins]

I would P-pump and definitely do a cam retainer, and the titanium spring retainers as well.

 

[Slowsilversmokeshow]

I would P-pump and definitely do a cam retainer, and the titanium spring retainers as well.

I'm not going to PPump because I don't have the funds for it and don't need over 1000 horsepower. Yes I know the PPump can make 900 easy, but if I'm going the PPump route, I'ma go big or go home and get a stage 11 16mm PPump from farrell diesel. I feel ppumps are only required when your going for 1000+ with these things. But I know I can make 850-900 on a scheid lighting stage 2 VP. Even if it takes a 50 shot, that's still cheaper than ppumping. But I'll definitely add the retainers to the cart!

 

[Adam24v]

I love the go big or go home idea of things when it comes to these trucks but you also should think realistically. A p pump would be a great choice even though you’re not for it. You’re going to have your cam out to swap it with a better one, you may as well swap the case and plumb it for a p7100. A SO VP isn’t going to get you to your goal unless you want to go with the stage II lightning or can find a Monster Mike pump. Also consider the need for head work, porting, polishing, valve job, fire rings or o rings, etc. Consider the health of the engine when you’re pushing 850-900, you’ll need supporting mods to keep everything together ie. proper fueling, tuning, pistons, rods, possibly a girdle, etc. What are your plans turbo wise? Others will chime in to help you get to where you want to be.

As for the lope side of things, if you go Stage II vp you’ll need larger lines and probably crossover tubes so it will lope from that. .093 lines and tubes should be plenty but don’t go too large. Don’t focus on wanting lope, instead focus on what’s best for getting you to your goal.

 

[Slowsilversmokeshow]

I love the go big or go home idea of things when it comes to these trucks but you also should think realistically. A p pump would be a great choice even though you’re not for it. You’re going to have your cam out to swap it with a better one, you may as well swap the case and plumb it for a p7100. A SO VP isn’t going to get you to your goal unless you want to go with the stage II lightning or can find a Monster Mike pump. Also consider the need for head work, porting, polishing, valve job, fire rings or o rings, etc. Consider the health of the engine when you’re pushing 850-900, you’ll need supporting mods to keep everything together ie. proper fueling, tuning, pistons, rods, possibly a girdle, etc. What are your plans turbo wise? Others will chime in to help you get to where you want to be.

As for the lope side of things, if you go Stage II vp you’ll need larger lines and probably crossover tubes so it will lope from that. .093 lines and tubes should be plenty but don’t go too large. Don’t focus on wanting lope, instead focus on what’s best for getting you to your goal.

There's a lot of extra cost involved with the p-pump swap. Plus, my trans is only rated for 1, 000hp and I definitely don't want to get it rebuilt anytime soon lol. I planned on getting a lightning stage 2 VP of the one the engine comes with wasn't enough. Also thought .093 lines would be plenty so thank you for confirming that! I definitely don't want to negatively affect the trucks streetability! I also planned on o-ringing the head because I kind of want to replace the exotic head studs that the engine has with some ARP 625's. As far as Pistons, rods and girdles go, I feel that's quite excessive for my power goal. The whole reason I want to stick with the VP setup is because it's far better as far as on the fly tuning capability goes. I don't have to constantly run the truck at a thousand horsepower with a VP pump (mainly because it can't make that on fuel alone ). The truck most likely won't live its life at 900 horsepower. It'll just get turned up to that when some cocky mustang on a revs at me at a stoplight! As far as turbos go, I plan on going to a compound set up eventually but currently I'm running a Borg Warner S369SX-E. The plan was to eventually compound my 369 with a big S400, probably a S482/S484, depending on how the truck spooled the S369 as a single. If it seemed like a bit much I would back the primary down to a 364.5 and keep the secondary in the aforementioned range.

 

[Carbur8tr]

If you would still like the truck to be “streetable” then you’re definitely not on a great path. I still have yet to find a decent aftermarket pump that won’t lope beyond feasibility or create massive plumes of smoke at virtually any throttle input.

The Quad can help a little but with the larger pumps it’s still almost impossible to create a semi decently “clean” running truck.

I admire your goal but I firmly believe 550 maybe 600 is about the max you’ll see out of a VP44 and still be in the comfortable “street” realm. With a P7100 you might be able to squeeze about the same power and still be responsible but it will take a lot of tweaking.

Not trying to be negative here but rather trying to reinforce the reality of this older technology.

 

[Slowsilversmokeshow]

If you would still like the truck to be “streetable” then you’re definitely not on a great path. I still have yet to find a decent aftermarket pump that won’t lope beyond feasibility or create massive plumes of smoke at virtually any throttle input.

The Quad can help a little but with the larger pumps it’s still almost impossible to create a semi decently “clean” running truck.

I admire your goal but I firmly believe 550 maybe 600 is about the max you’ll see out of a VP44 and still be in the comfortable “street” realm. With a P7100 you might be able to squeeze about the same power and still be responsible but it will take a lot of tweaking.

Not trying to be negative here but rather trying to reinforce the reality of this older technology.

550-600 is what my truck made before the engine seized on a remanded VP. I'm 110% positive that ppumping my truck will kill streetability long before a lightning stage 2 VP would. I've seen literally hundreds of VP trucks make the horsepower goal I'm after on that pump. I'm fine with some haze and some smoke. What i don't want, is to fill 3 city bocks with coal before boost comes on. I don't care about clean. Once again, the truck isn't going to live its life at 900hp. Just going to get turned up when someone thinks their shits fast. I'd rather not have to do that by getting out of my truck with a flathead screwdriver and tightening or loosening a fuel screw. And yes, I'm aware of AFC live, but VPs are much more tunable. My goal is a million percent feasible. I've talked to big names in the industry like TJ Frey and Seth Haley who both say my goals achievable. Guess I should just stayed talking to them because so far only one of my questions has been answered.

 

[Adam24v]

I’ll try to help with your questions

#1 I’ve read conflicting things regarding cast or steel cams, you should just call the cam manufacturer of your choice. I would definitely get a retainer.

#2 I use Hamilton 103# springs in my truck so they should be perfect for your application too. Do titanium

#3 Sleep deprivation is making you’re question a little confusing so please elaborate.

#4 scheid recommends a 6x0.016 injector minimum for their pump so a 6x0.018 or 6x0.020 should be okay.

#5 already answered, .093 lines and crossover tubes max

 

[Slowsilversmokeshow]

Awesome! Thank you for answering my questions! And in question #3 I'm talking about the upgraded ARP rocker pedestal studs

 

[Adam24v]

If you’re in there and swapping parts out you may as well upgrade.

 

[jkidd]

P7100 pump hot 12mm or 13mm for about $2500

Or about a 200HP shot of nitrous to get 800HP with a SO pump

Not many other ways to do it.

Standard output pump is not going to support 6x.018 injectors. you need a stage 2 lightning pump for another $3000

 

[jkidd]

Rethink your goal and consider 650HP. Xotic studs, stock bottom end and most of your other parts will not support your goal. Any turbo that would live even briefly at 800HP (s400) will NOT be a friendly daily driving turbo

If it is not going to live at 800-900 HP then Nitrous will get you there a lot cheaper.

 

[Got Horsepower]

Compounds VS Racing Billet 80mmx117mm compressor(compressor has been upgraded to Infinite Performance Reaper 6 blade) 96mmx88mm turbine T6 1.32 under
S369 SX-E with Infinite Performance Reaper 6 blade compressor on top.
Turbine housings and hot pipe ceramic coated.
Crazy Carl's piping kit.
Infinite Performance 6x.020 Comp. Injectors
Edge Drag Comp Hot
Fass 290 gph
Banks High Ram and Grid delete.
Snow WM VC 50 Stage 2 2 30 GPH Nozzles.
Mishimoto Intercooler
Stainless Diesel Exhaust Manifold With 45 mm External wastegate.
Scheid Stage 2 VP44(coming in June)
.093 Scheid Injector Lines
Infinite Performance .093 crosstubes
Hamilton 103lb springs
Hamilton Rods
Arp rod bolts
Arp 625 headstuds
Arp XL Mainstuds
Gorilla Girdle
Mahle .40 over Pistons ceramic coated and delipped
Mishimoto 179 degree thermostat
Fleece Coolant bypass
5 in drop pipe and exhaust.
S and B Cold Air Intake
Power Bastards High Output Alternator
Colt Stage 4 Cam and Tappets
Autometer Z series gauges, trans, boost 100psi, pyrometer-never see over 1000, exhaust pressure
Power Driven Diesel 5 layer boost hoses/boots
Optima Dual Red Top Batts
Power Driven Disel Battery hold downs(does not help performance)LOL!
HPS 5 Layer coolant hoses
Keating Billet freeze plugs
Keating Billet valve cover
Orings in block
MLS Head gasket
G & R billet tappet cover.
DAP Billet gear case cover.
Thermal Zero Silver turbo blankets.
Thermal Zero Exhaust Manifold blanket, see brand in picture.
Exhaust downpipe wrap. see amazon for brand. Engineered not chinese junk
5 inch exhaust, straight through muffler with dimples. Loudest exhaust ive ever heard. Impressive to hear!!!.

Here is a build list for you to look over and compare. My dyno numbers with a single turbo and smaller injectors are 691hp/1285tq