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I wanted to increase the mileage on my Truck. So i got the hydrogen conversion plans and will be building a few sets. I want to know if anyone has done this and if they had any problems. I have a 98.5, auto trans.

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ignore Everything that is stupid/homosexual or anything that is not truck related comming from my user cp. I have a bunch of wise asses that i work with that seem to have found a way onto my user and are posting up crap everywhere.
 

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now that its "me" here, tell me more about this conversion your doing. I would be intrested in doing this as well.
 

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This is the link so you can read up on it. I got the plans for it now....i will be installing it on my 93 vogager van and 2003 bombadier quad. I hopefully will get my head wrapped around it to do a BBQ conversion....too many ideas to list. But my big hang up is that a don't want to damage my truck...wife's van i don't care but the truck I do...LOL (Run Your Car on Water)
 

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THAT IS A SCAM!!! The HHO they are referring to sounds like the same chemical as water. The first thing that made me suspicious is the outrageous claim of 40% efficiency increase. 20% in certain diesels and perhaps 10% in gas engines would be believable with a H2 generator.

DON'T GIVE MONEY OR HITS TO THESE SNAKE OIL SALESMEN!!! A REAL hydrogen generator really should make a difference.

H+H+O = H2O Hydrogen only has one bond, and oxygen has two. So there's only one way to put them together.

A real hydrogen generator takes two water molecules and changes it into two Hydrogen molecules and one oxygen molecule. The much more reactive H2 is an ideal catalyst to make the combustion more efficient. 2 H20 = 2 H2+1 O2
 

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I spend 800.00 per month on fuel, and if i get a better rate of 10 or 20% do you think i have a savings.

The max you get from performance products is 10%...and they costs 500.00 to start and end up costing over 3,000.00.

I didn't ask if you know about the system....I asked if you knew of problems people have had using it

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I didn't mean to be offensive to you. Very sorry. I think they are peddling BS. I wouldn't be surprised to see that kind of efficiency from a H2 system, but HHO is the "gas" they claim to be making which unless they are cooking up radioacitve isotopes, is plain water.

The H2 systems are very exciting to me, but what that site is selling is a lie in my opinion, and fraudulent. I responded in the way I did because their scam angered me. I meant no offense to you or anyone else here. Though I don't particularly appreciate my name being broadcast on the net.

If you would like me to in a more serious tone explain why I think this is a fraud, I would be happy to.

PS I changed that post to be less offensive, though it was meant to be directed at the proprietors of that site. If I was you, I would take that site down to not give them further advertising.
 

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I'm pretty sure there's already a pretty long thread about this on here. Do a search on hydrogen and you'll probably find it. There were like 4 people that ordered units and after following the thread for a couple months, NOBODY replied back with positive results and most didn't even say another word. So, I would be skeptical based on that alone.
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HHO is actually different from water as far as I have heard, it has to do with splitting the hydrogens or something, there are a few threads on here about it
 

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H2O is the abbreviation for HHO The 2 refers to two hydrogen atoms, and the O refers to a single oxygen atom. H+H+O =H2O. Here's an example H+H+O+O=H2O2 Common Hyrogen peroxide. Like four people holding hands. The hydrogens' have one hand in their pocket.

Beware! With these high fuel prices, the scam artists will be out! Selling fuel cards and the like.

Waveman-If you have already made a purchase, I urge you to not accept it. The way I understand consumer law (which is not really) the transaction is not complete until you take posession. Contact your state's department of consumer affairs. I am pretty sure this is a scam. If in doubt, seek out someone with some basic chemistry experience to verify this for yourself.
 

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HHO is not water, you start out with water and through electrolysis you break the bonds of the water. Water is two hydrogen atoms ionically bonded with one oxygen atom, HHO is 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom without the bonds holding them together.
 

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I am not trying to defend it and say it works but Im just saying HHO is not H2O. This system is rather inefficient because of the amount of electricity it takes to break the bonds of water.
 

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HHO is a chemical (physical) bond, not a ionic bond. An ionic bond is not a chemical bond and thus not listed as a chemical. Electrolysis actually splits the H2O and the anode attracts the oxygen and the cathode attracts the hydrogen. (or the other way around, I can't remember off the top of my head) The reason for the H2O abbreviation is that more complex chemicals will have scores, perhaps hundreds of a single element in a molecule. So you might have a chemical that looked like CCCCHHHHOO which would be a simple hydrocarbon sugar C4H4O2. Both versions are technically correct, but one is more widely accepted as you don't have to count letters to see the content of the molecule.

Ionization is a process in which an extra electron is added to a molecule. The extra electron makes the atom behave as if it were a different atom with a different number of bonds. This makes it stick to another molecule and imitate a larger molecule. It is, however, NOT a molecular bond.

Free atoms will VERY actively seek out a partner to form a permanent bond with, so the oxygen will either bond with an oxygen, two hydrogens, or if you have contaminants in your water, something else.
 

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hey thanks for your help guys.

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I closely kept up with the threads on the HHO generators on here and there was one guy that reported 30 mpg with his generator. The biggest reason people weren't seeing increases was because of the way they were introducing the HHO into the air stream. The guys that were putting it in pre-turbo weren't seeing any increases. The guys that had some sort of a venturi in the boost tube were seeing increases. So if you can find a way to introduce the HHO properly it would probably work. Don't spend the money buying one of the units though. There's youtube videos on how to build them out of hardware store parts. If you don't have enough HHO with one unit, try two.

YouTube - Make your own fuel cell
 

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Hey finally some that is more like it. I bought the plans for 50.00 and plan to build it myself....this is the kind of expermenting I like. the thread below is excellent info

Thanks
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I closely kept up with the threads on the HHO generators on here and there was one guy that reported 30 mpg with his generator. The biggest reason people weren't seeing increases was because of the way they were introducing the HHO into the air stream. The guys that were putting it in pre-turbo weren't seeing any increases. The guys that had some sort of a venturi in the boost tube were seeing increases. So if you can find a way to introduce the HHO properly it would probably work. Don't spend the money buying one of the units though. There's youtube videos on how to build them out of hardware store parts. If you don't have enough HHO with one unit, try two.

YouTube - Make your own fuel cell
 

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Also, the generator won't make HHO under positive pressure (the turbo makes positive pressure) which is why they needed the venturi to introduce it in a small spot of no pressure. I'm not 100% sure how they work, but that is the big hinderance to putting them on turbo diesels. If you figure out a way to make it work that anyone could build, let us know. Keep us posted with your results; good and bad.
 

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If you know how to do P2P file sharing you can find all of the plans and books out there for free. The 1 i read says that diesels were actually easyer than gasers to do because you just plumb into the airbox or torque tube. I tried it on an old ford ranger as an experiment. All of the equiptment and such works but i dont think i am seeing any increase in MPG but i am only running a small single cell.
 

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The unit I have plans for developes up to 65PSI and my turbo is screaming at 25. I believe a one way check value should work. I will post once i get up and running. The unit is 4 1/2" x 18" suppose to run a 3.3 litre van with no gas...that would be too funny....to run a vehicle on water. Anyways I have what I need thanks for your help guys.

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This is why I'm a little leery of hho. Read down the comments of this video. One guy blew apart his intercooler with hydrogen gas. Left the key on a little too long as the hydrogen was building up in the intake. When he started it, possably a backfire of some kind, and BOOM. Intercooler and probably tubes toast. Hopefully nothing internal. I'm not willing to risk a hole in my piston for a few extra mpg. Not trying to discourage, just read up and know what you're doing.:thumbsup

YouTube - HHo/Hydroxy/Hydrogen system installed in Escort Turbo Diesel
 
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