[GMconvert]

http://memeshappen.com/media/created/I39ve-Got--Big-Balls-meme-35985.jpg

Then step up and roll those dice!

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[shadow87]

Data please...anything else is speculation and conjecture.

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what exactly is speculation?

 

[GMconvert]

what exactly is speculation?

Motor killing!

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[shadow87]

ppl please understand that am not looking to gain a single hp doing this. Not looking to roll coal or do crazy burnouts. I'm simply trying to prolong the life of the engine. Nothing I do should cause harm to the motor in fact I am prolonging the life of it. I know there are ppl that tune 200+ or whatever. The first 6.7 didn't even have DEF. It isn't crazy to expect coverage within the reasonable timeframe on a new car. But I guess I am rolling those dice. Wish me luck boys

 

[GMconvert]

You should check out this thread...

http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2382650

324k miles all stock...motor looks alive and well from the photos to me!

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[K9Kodi]

Absolutely it is crazy to expect them to cover your warranty after such a major modification. It's called liability and setting precedence. Now I don't agree with it per-se but I do understand their point. I mean if I sold a product , as many products, and said do whatever you'd like we'll still cover it id probably go under. If I said the product will only be warranted if kept in stock form I have a better chance, cause at the end of the day some will still slip through

 

[mattswaggs]

ppl please understand that am not looking to gain a single hp doing this. Not looking to roll coal or do crazy burnouts. I'm simply trying to prolong the life of the engine. Nothing I do should cause harm to the motor in fact I am prolonging the life of it. I know there are ppl that tune 200+ or whatever. The first 6.7 didn't even have DEF. It isn't crazy to expect coverage within the reasonable timeframe on a new car. But I guess I am rolling those dice. Wish me luck boys

Do what you want, I don’t care what you do, but if it’s brand new, why not put some miles on it before deleting it. There are people out there with 300-400k miles on stock equipment. Why not take yours to 100k then the warranty is up and delete then?

Just a thought.

 

[shadow87]

I appreciate everyones input btw. I mean it. If one can't take criticism, one is narrow minded. I still have time to think, And there is a lot to think about.

 

[Electrojake]

I appreciate everyones input btw. I mean it. If one can't take criticism, one is narrow minded. I still have time to think, And there is a lot to think about.

shadow87,
Glad you didn't mind our "gang mentality" :thumbsup: :rof
All in all you started a pretty darn enjoyable thread.

Since the truck is brand-spanking new, I would keep it bone stock for at least 10,000 miles. (that infant mortality thing?)
Good luck with the new ride!
-Ej-

 

[daMonk]

If you delete - you lose the warranty , pretty simple ...uh?

Don’t worry be happy. It’s only money.

 

[Sandman76]

Think about it, you are putting exhaust into your intake, dumping oil from the ccv into your turbo, and creating a massive amount of back pressure with the exhaust after treatment system. That is going to kill the motor sooner than later.

I'll address these one at a time.

1) Exhaust into the intake: this used to be a problem in sooting up the grid heater. I don't know if this is still a problem or not, but the EGR is much less on these DEF trucks.

2) CCV oil into the turbo: the problem with this is the possibility of coating the inside of your intercooler. This will reduce the heat exchange rate of the intercooler BUT will increase your combustion efficiency - not going to kill anything with this.

3) Exhaust after treatment back pressure: You do realize the pressures the combustion chambers see? The exhaust back pressure is NOTHING compared to what the engine can handle. Heck if that is your reasoning, get rid of the Variable Geometry Turbo (it creates back pressure too) and DON'T ever use the back pressure exhaust brake (part of the VGT). I could go on about this topic, but I think you get my point.

If you want to delete, you are carrying the warranty (for the most part). Do it or don't but in my humble opinion, there is no need on these new trucks.

 

[stoeckingerrobert]

I really would LOVE to delete my truck for the sounds only. Sucks that you can’t get sound without deleting the whole shebang.


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[N of 60]

As was stated earlier the newer trucks emissions systems are much easier on the engines than the older ones. They use a lot less EGR and don't dump excess fuel into the cylinders to burn soot, instead using Urea injected into the SCR. I am pro delete but not until I have an issue then I will have to weigh out what warranty I have left versus cost of emissions repair if not covered. I'm not brave enough to delete a brand new truck and run the risk of a major failure.

Raw fuel is still injected into the cylinder on the exhaust stroke during a regen to clean the DPF.
Urea has nothing to do with that.

 

[Zaicran]

Think about it, you are putting exhaust into your intake, dumping oil from the ccv into your turbo, and creating a massive amount of back pressure with the exhaust after treatment system. That is going to kill the motor sooner than later.

Proof? I mean really...is this opinion or fact?

 

[shadow87]

Proof? I mean really...is this opinion or fact?

considering that their sole purpose is for emissions, and that they do reduce power(both facts), one can assume that there's a greater probobility of you doing better without.

 

[shadow87]

I'll address these one at a time.

1) Exhaust into the intake: this used to be a problem in sooting up the grid heater. I don't know if this is still a problem or not, but the EGR is much less on these DEF trucks.

2) CCV oil into the turbo: the problem with this is the possibility of coating the inside of your intercooler. This will reduce the heat exchange rate of the intercooler BUT will increase your combustion efficiency - not going to kill anything with this.

3) Exhaust after treatment back pressure: You do realize the pressures the combustion chambers see? The exhaust back pressure is NOTHING compared to what the engine can handle. Heck if that is your reasoning, get rid of the Variable Geometry Turbo (it creates back pressure too) and DON'T ever use the back pressure exhaust brake (part of the VGT). I could go on about this topic, but I think you get my point.

If you want to delete, you are carrying the warranty (for the most part). Do it or don't but in my humble opinion, there is no need on these new trucks.

I would respectably advise you to do some research on ccv and egr, because you are leaving out a lot. there is a lot of damage. as far as dpf and the def system yes the engine can handle a lot but there is a difference in load and back pressure.

 

[Zaicran]

considering that their sole purpose is for emissions, and that they do reduce power(both facts), one can assume that there's a greater probobility of you doing better without.

Nope...let's not change the narrative. You said these motors will FAIL sooner...that's not the same as being "better off without".


Reducing emissions and reducing power, although they might be FACTS, the result does not mean engine failure.

From my perspective this is what I see around CF, the sky is falling again...better delete. There's no proof deleting helps extend engine life, but you DO see guys who have deleted start breaking things because by deleting they are doing their own engineering on these drive trains...

HOw often do we see around here threads that go something along these lines:

"Hi guys, I'm having a problem with <whatever engine/transmission component> and oh by the way I am deleted running only a 60hp tune and rarely do I stick my foot in it..."

By INCREASING emissions and INCREASING power they are having powertrain failures. Are they really better off without?

Hey if you want to delete, go right ahead, that's YOUR choice. I have no issue at all with people who delete these trucks. They sound better and get better mileage slightly and can pull a High School off it's foundation. But why would anyone expect FCA to cover the cost of you breaking your truck as a result of your own engineering?

 

[shadow87]

Nope...let's not change the narrative. You said these motors will FAIL sooner...that's not the same as being "better off without".


Reducing emissions and reducing power, although they might be FACTS, the result does not mean engine failure.

From my perspective this is what I see around CF, the sky is falling again...better delete. There's no proof deleting helps extend engine life, but you DO see guys who have deleted start breaking things because by deleting they are doing their own engineering on these drive trains...

HOw often do we see around here threads that go something along these lines:

"Hi guys, I'm having a problem with <whatever engine/transmission component> and oh by the way I am deleted running only a 60hp tune and rarely do I stick my foot in it..."

By INCREASING emissions and INCREASING power they are having powertrain failures. Are they really better off without?

Hey if you want to delete, go right ahead, that's YOUR choice. I have no issue at all with people who delete these trucks. They sound better and get better mileage slightly and can pull a High School off it's foundation. But why would anyone expect FCA to cover the cost of you breaking your truck as a result of your own engineering?

We can debate all night or you can understand what I'm trying to say. I can be wrong sure, but you can't tell me what I meant to say. Its an educated guess. Read the rest of this thread and you will see what Im trying to do.

 

[Zaicran]

We can debate all night or you can understand what I'm trying to say. I can be wrong sure, but you can't tell me what I meant to say. Its an educated guess. Read the rest of this thread and you will see what Im trying to do.

Not sure why you bothered starting the thread if you're just going to shut down the debate when it doesn't agree with you.

Happy deleting.

 

[shadow87]

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