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Hi guys looking to get a new set of injectors I’m pretty much stock and I was thinking about going 15 to 30% over. I want quality reliable sticks I’ve read a lot on here but my search engine isn’t working so it makes it hard to find what I want to find.. anyhow who do you guys think makes the best injectors? I’ve heard DDP and BBI’s are good?

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First off, welcome to the forum. There is an absolute wealth of information here that has saved me many thousands of dollars over the last decade on routine maintenance as well as performance additions; try using a dedicated PC for search functions as I’ve found it’s worked better than the mobile phone app.

DDP and BBI both make good injectors, with the edge going to BBI since they give more precise flow rating data at various output levels. This comes with a more expensive price tag.

Be honest with yourself with the goals you have with your truck. If your only desire is to add a few ponies to tow your camper once a month with minimal horsepower addiction, I’d recommend a set of Bosch Motorsports “100hp” injectors with EFI Live custom tuning. With EFI Live, the tuner is able to scale back the fueling commands much more precisely than a box tuner such as edge or smarty s06 so that the larger injector is able to tow cleanly and cool with a trailer but still provide good top end power when you want to dust a Silverado unloaded. The benefit of the Bosch motorsports injectors is that they’re an original product from the multimillion dollar Bosch facility which means top notch cleanliness and quality control which is vital to common rail injection; and you still get it a more affordable price due to their large scale production.

DDP and BBI are obviously much smaller scale productions but still have good quality control. However, they still have to modify the nozzle in house which means increased cost which I don’t see competitive price wise at the small injector level (Bosch will make injectors at the 15%-38% oversized level “50-100hp” sourced from development on other applications, but above that is not their target market so they don’t make larger injectors for our engine).

In summary: if you’re confident you’ll stay 650hp and below, Bosch Motorsports. 650hp+ go BBI, DDP, Exergy, or S&S. As always, fuel supply cleanliness is paramount so I recommend a good standalone filter to 2-3 microns regardless of what injector you select.
 
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i like ddp. having tuned a few sets of exergy an a few sets of ddp, ive noticed that ive had better luck tuning the smoke out of the ddp(everything i have tuned is 200%+). you might also call them for prices. last time i ordered form them over the phone it was a little cheaper then what their website priced them, idk if it was a special price or something going on that day. but its may be worth calling to see.

bms are good injectors, but from what ive notice there are a lot of companies marking their injectors as bms when they are not.
 

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Thanks guys! Would you have a good website for them Bosch injectors? And are they as reliable as the DDP’s and BBI’s? And yes I plan on staying under 600hp and don’t tow to heavy when I do.

Also where can I get some good feed tubes for a decent price?
 

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Hi guys looking to get a new set of injectors I’m pretty much stock and I was thinking about going 15 to 30% over. I want quality reliable sticks I’ve read a lot on here but my search engine isn’t working so it makes it hard to find what I want to find.. anyhow who do you guys think makes the best injectors? I’ve heard DDP and BBI’s are good?

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I've never heard that, and not buying it. So do you have your own search engine.:surprise:

There are lots of search engines, and if you can get on this forum and post, then you can search using Google, Duck Duck Go, Dog Pile, etc. The list goes on.
 

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I've never heard that, and not buying it. So do you have your own search engine.<img src="http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/CumminsForum_2016/smilies/tango_face_surprise.png" border="0" alt="" title="EEK! Surprise" class="inlineimg" />

There are lots of search engines, and if you can get on this forum and post, then you can search using Google, Duck Duck Go, Dog Pile, etc. The list goes on.[/QUOTE]


I was just searching on my phone on this forum..
 

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search function here doesnt work on my phone either.

I would go with the bosch. BMS50
 

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Diesel Auto Power and Power Driven Diesel are both good companies that will get you the right part.
 

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I’ve ran both. Installed DDP 90hp back when the anodized bodies first came out around 2009. Truck had approx 200k km’s In stock injectors when one failed. I replaced them with DDP because they were not rebuilt & had updated bodies. I also installed a Fass 150 titanium pump at the same time.
I got approx 150k km’s Before I started having issues with the DDP’s. turned out 1 solenoid was shorted to the body & 4 ohmed high so I replaced them with BBI 1.5 soon after they were first released. Currently have 250k km’s on them & still running good.
One thing I noticed when going from DDP to BBI was how much quieter they ran. DDP had some injector rattle but not bad, the BBI also ran much cleaner, the DDP would always have a slight haze where the BBI’s did not.
I also didn’t have to pay a core charge on the BBI’s because they were new & they did not do remans back then. Even though DDP claimed new, I still had a $900 core charge that was refunded upon return.
The only negative I can think for BBI was the price was 20% more than the DDP’s after I got my core charge back.
I still have my DDP’s & was in contact with Martin about rebuilding them with 03-04 nozzles to use in a 6.7 swap when that time comes. BBI for the win
 

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Nothing but the best i can promise you that!

Ill be more then happy to show you the failure rate percentages and what not if youd like.
Very interesting, I myself would like to see those as well.
 

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Very interesting, I myself would like to see those as well.

Sure thing man!

So BBI has over 25 years experience in the industry as the owners used to work for BOSCH directly. They were on the design and engineering side. They know literally everything good and bad about the injectors. In knowing all of this they knew how to make them better. The tolerances are much tighter and any weak points inside of the injectors they have improved upon it.

Anytime there was defect causing a trend, they spent loads of time pin pointing the failure point and then fixed it with their skills.

Now, on to the important numbers.

The New line of injectors have a failure rate of .1% Started producing in 2012.

Total there have been about 12 Injectors sent back claiming warranty and that there was in issue. 3 returned back with no failures, 2 had a broken magnet core, 5 had debris found in injectors, 1 had wear on valve seat, 1 had water contaminated fuel.

Out of those only 3 had real issues that were not due to misuse or improper installation.

The remans have a .3% failure rate. Started producing in 2016.

Total of 4 have been returned with warranty claim. 3 of them were a defective magnet ( they have found and fixed this issue ), 1 set was sent back but it was determined after the investigation that it was the customer who had installed them incorrectly causing the damage.

The reason the numbers are a little different are because BBI started offering REMAN injectors in 2016 where the company started in 2012.

Ill be more then happy to help anyone out and to better help them understand the quality that these guys are known for.
 
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