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If you can fab, go ahead. A triangulated front is possible (cramped with exhaust), but you do know if you stay with mechanical stock style steering you will run in to some problems right? Full hydro would be the best/preferred option. I'm not saying don't do it, just don't do it half a$$ed.
 

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Just wondering if it is all worth it or just go with the off the shelf stuff, I have never delt with a system up front with the weight of the cummins and don't know how it would handle... I'd love to have all purpose, Street, tow and trail... not just fire roads though... Full hydro wouldn't work since I cant put it on the road here (gotta love cali) ...
So far I cant put my finger on the set up that is best for all worlds.. maybe I just stick with the typical long arm, stock location and fab up some coil over mounts... also need to figure out a easy way to modify my lorenz end links to disconnect easily... Just doing my homework at the moment... I always seem to want whats not out there...
 

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my fabricator wouldnt fab up coilover mounting options for my ram unless i went with king 3.0s because of the weight of the front end. He pointed me in the direction of the guys at carli because in the end they would be less expensive and more reliable since its a seperate spring shock combo. If you do run coilovers you should beef up the lower shock mount. Its pretty thin to only support for both the coil and the shock with the weight of these trucks.
 

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i just got a long arm setup for my truck(i built), ive had my eyes on my buddies race runner shocks hes selling(12'' travel shocks) i dont think it would be to bad to fab up.
 

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I'm buying a dodge cummins out of canada. anyone know if I need to change the instrument panel from kilometers to miles? Or what I need to do? also it's a 2004 5.9 i think. Any idea on the mileage of these? it's an automatic
 

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my fabricator wouldnt fab up coilover mounting options for my ram unless i went with king 3.0s because of the weight of the front end. He pointed me in the direction of the guys at carli because in the end they would be less expensive and more reliable since its a seperate spring shock combo. If you do run coilovers you should beef up the lower shock mount. Its pretty thin to only support for both the coil and the shock with the weight of these trucks.
It seems like a lot of the "pros" question putting coilovers on the front of our truck either due to the inability of a 2.5" coilover to handle the weight or they don't trust the single upper or lower mounting bolts. If one of these breaks [email protected]# hits the fan. Yet this seems to work for some Trophy Trucks that can weigh close to 7k and probably see a little more abuse than the average daily driver(unless you are SRTlegal). Plus these things only break on 10K lb monster trucks when they are jumped higher than 20 feet. Nothing against Carli as they are probably the most progressive suspension manufacturers in the Dodge world, but I find it interesting that they condemn using coilovers due to the bolt strength issues yet offer 2.5" coilover setps with their Ford kits. I can't see those trucks weighing that much less. I do agree on not using the lower shock mount to support the entire weight of the truck like Spirson does, but a bracket like the one that Pure Performance uses is definitely an improvement. I do agree that it would be tough to put a coilover on our trucks with limited lift height as it wouldn't allow for a very big shock body and would limit travel. But for the guys running bigger lifts it would be fine because they have more room and usually less concern for overall travel.
 

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I wouldnt say Carli condemns using coilovers. They just know how to design suspension systems for these dodge trucks and that the beneifits for running coilovers in these trucks might not out weigh the negatives. especially on trucks that spend 90% of their time on road. I personally would hate to snap a shock mount on my tow rig and be stranded out in the desert. If it happens with my carli kit i can still limp home on just the coil.

As to their ford kit.... I saw one in person and it looked like a nice set up but i havent seen any real world testing of just how that system stacks up against their dodge stuff. I would like to see a long a$$ superduty flying through the air or hitting the whoops at 70+ mph. :hehe:

My class 7 truck fabricator was the one that was against using anything less than 3.0 kings on my ram. While trophy trucks may weigh 7k pounds they also have fully boxed chromoly arms, frames, cages, etc. with 3.0-4.0 coilovers and bypass shocks with hydro bumpstops. The motors are also pushed back so there is more even weight distribution. They dont have a huge heavy cummins motor pounding over the front axle causing more stress on parts. My class 7 runs 2.5 king coilovers and bypasses and weighs in at 5500 lbs. I highly doubt one of those shock mounts would break but they are just huge in comparison to the stock Ram's mounts or even pureperformance's bracket.

Now the guys that are running 10''+ of lift, only need 10'' of travel and dont really offroad that hard are probably fine running a 2.5 coilover. It would make for a really comfy ride and most of those trucks would never see the abuse necessary to snap a shock mount. Its all how you design your truck for its intended use.
 

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It would definately be run offroad... and knowing my history off pavement.. something would definately break.. so I think I will just stick with the basics... and not get to fancy. I'm still going to do a little reasearch on how to make it work on a 4-5" lift... but I'm thinking its not really possible...
 

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FYI kore and carli both built coil overs for there trucks, the trick is building an engine cage. The old black truck called the beast which is now red had some coil overs put in from some guys in the O.C. area.
Baja Mike @ Carli is in the works of messing with some coil overs on his truck. BUt your getting away from the purpose of these kits being bolted on. To put in an engine cage in the truck your batteries go bye bye then maybe your ABS pump, an since your there you might as well cage the truck

DOnt get me wrong you can mount them in there, hell i think Fabtech makes a coil over kit for the cummins, however once you get the suspension cycling up and down i wouldn't trust it to a single bolt. For the average joe a coil over system, on our trucks atleast are a waste of time. Unless you have radius arms that will allow more down travel. On a truck with short arms your limited by your arms, you dont have to worry about the spring coming out of the bucket do the fact of 10" is about as much travel as your going to get, so a coil over is pointless.

In my situation, I could use a coil over because i still have more shock left at full droop but my springs will come out of the bucket at 11". So in my case a coil over would be perfect
 

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I am in the process of trying to come up with an upper coilover mount that will mount on the bottom of the spring cup for right now. I have custom Radius arms and 10" of lift currently on a 14" travel 2.5 shock. Has anyone come up with a good, bolt in solution to mount them?
 

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I don't think a triangulated front would be that great for these big trucks considering the amount of torque they have when in 4wheel drive... they need to be harnessed some how... i could be wrong too... my two pennies...
 

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I don't think a triangulated front would be that great for these big trucks considering the amount of torque they have when in 4wheel drive... they need to be harnessed some how... i could be wrong too... my two pennies...
I am running a somewhat triangulated Radius arm type setup and it is absolutely awesome, great articulation, handles the power just fine and I am in the 700hp range.
 

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im just thinking from how my rock crawler is and the way axels move under load... to me it just wouldnt be good... like i said just my 2 pennies
 

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its po$$ible...

it is possible, that low of a lift, not neccessarily easy. full time, i design and build custom chassis and suspensions, from coilover conversions to full chassis...but is it worth doing? depends on the budget and purpose. for the money, carli makes amazing stuff, and theyve found a way to approach the issue without going coilovers only, or coils only. the issue is not only the towers but the triangulation ...for the money, buy a prefabbed kit. honestly. it all comes down to what do you want to spend...and how specific do you want the build. carli makes a great "everything" kit, its capable offroad, comfy, and well done. for custom....no one can come close to their prices unless its another high volume shop, or retard who likes throwin money away. theres my two cents...
 

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X2 for the carli kit! Why reinvent the wheel. You wouldn't believe what this Carli 6" Dominator system is capable of.

Don't reinvent the wheel... It's already round!
 

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I am in the process of trying to come up with an upper coilover mount that will mount on the bottom of the spring cup for right now. I have custom Radius arms and 10" of lift currently on a 14" travel 2.5 shock. Has anyone come up with a good, bolt in solution to mount them?
Only Commenting on this because we thought about doing it...

Pure Performances upper mount has you drill 3 extra holes through your factory coil bucket. And places a solid ring below and uses 6 grade 8 bolts.

Do it the exact opposite...Flip their upper mount upside down and mount it below the coil bucket. You now just gained the strength of the coil bucket taking the weight instead of the 6 grade 8's...and you also gained almost 6 inches over their original design.

If i needed extra height this is what we were going to do....
 

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except...you would gain heighth and clearance only...lose travel, screw up the geometry of a prefabbed kit, and the new geometry of the mounts has the exertion force from full bump pulling out lower;pushing in on the center of the rail, at its weakest point....

like he said above, dont reinvent the wheel, meshing "bolt on" fabbed kits and aftermarket custom ideas...not always a good idea.
 
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