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I dont think Navistar is replacing them. I think what will happen will be the same as what happened with Detroit and Freightliner. When they partnered Detroit stopped offering their motors to anyone except Freightliner. Fine by me really. We dont put cats in anything unless the customer wants it specifically. Even then we try to talk them out of it. The ISX is the way to go.
 

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so i guess no catipilar in a toyota.........:hyper::thumbsup
 

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So the overpriced, overengineered and over-integrated Caterpillar company finally fell to the specialized expertise and pragmatic corporate theology of Cummins? What a pity... :w:
 

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2010 cats making their own line of trucks probably with a c10 or c11 engine in it. their money is in machinery anyway
 

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I dont think Navistar is replacing them. I think what will happen will be the same as what happened with Detroit and Freightliner. When they partnered Detroit stopped offering their motors to anyone except Freightliner. Fine by me really. We dont put cats in anything unless the customer wants it specifically. Even then we try to talk them out of it. The ISX is the way to go.
ISX? NO WAY THEY ARE JUNK, one word, "camshafts". ISX is close....ISUX is better:thumbsup
 

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you know i would have to go with the cats all the n-14 we ever had we couldn't keep injectors:CRY: the c-15's have alittle bit of trouble eating oil. but we have a 96 w900 with 3406E and it is never in the shop and it's pushing 700,000 and our new cats our junk! :thud:
 

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Just to keep the facts straight. Freightliner did not stop supplying Detroit Series 60 engines to anybody and they where still an option but only to customers that demanded them. KW did not want to support different company's product. As far as cat dropping out of the truck market they had trouble complying with the pollution spec's all the way back to 1992, and there engines are not fuel efficient, they weight to much, everything costs to much and parts are hard to find. I worked on them and warranty was a nightmare to get any kind of help for the owner. And the list of checks they wanted done that was not related to the problem or could be done in a much easier way, things that had to be tested in multiple ways. got to go PLAY SAFE!
 

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That is about the same info that I got from my bro-in-law. Was working for Louisiana Machinery for a couple years as a Cat Tech. It all has to do with the emissions compliance. The engines that they sold to go in trucks were fined x amount of dollars each by the government and the extra cost was just passed on to the consumer in the cost of the truck. He told me last year that was the word at his work place about Cat dropping their truck line of engines.
 

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In our shop (kenworth) we see 3-1 cat to cummins in here. The older 3406x motors were great. We rarely see those, but the c-xx. Trash. They are always in here. ALWAYS. The only way you can get a detroit in a Peterbilt, or KW(Paccar) is to buy a glider truck and have a Detroit put in somewhere else. It is not an option from Paccar.
 
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