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i just ordered the carli springs but am not sure exactly how much lift they are? i have 2.5" spacers in right now and was goin to replace them. no matter what i was plannin on buildin some controll arms to center the axle in the wheel well so now im wonderin if i should do a really small spacer over the carlis? any one runnin like a 1.5 spacer over carlis?
 

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I would not put that spacer on top of the Carli springs, it's going to defeat the purpose of the Carli spring. I'm know expert on this Carli stuff but I think it lift the front 3".
 

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I would not put that spacer on top of the Carli springs, it's going to defeat the purpose of the Carli spring. I'm know expert on this Carli stuff but I think it lift the front 3".
no it would not defeat the point. tell me one reason why'? im lookin for some one who has and want to know what they did controll arm wise.
 

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Its not reccommended, carli builds a performance coil and they do a lot of testing on their parts to make sure they are perfect. Adding the spacer messes with the performance though i cant exactly remember how. So ill turn it over to the experts to chime in. :S: :thumbsup:
 

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Well im no expert either but i dont think id ever add a spacer to the top of my coil again. Specially if i had something as nice of riding as a carli spring. I added just a 1" spacer on top of my springs and it made the ride much stiffer.
 

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tell me how a spacer magicly makes the spring stiffer? Or is in a combo or a off ceter front axle with bad control arm angles from the added lift? I'm talkin bout new control arms with a adj trac-bar. So please chime in if you are an expert. If your not thanks for tryin but I am not lookin for guesses....
 

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I would not put that spacer on top of the Carli springs, it's going to defeat the purpose of the Carli spring. I'm know expert on this Carli stuff but I think it lift the front 3".
thanks I thot it was a 3 but couldn't find any deff specs listed
 

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tell me how a spacer magicly makes the spring stiffer? QUOTE]


Im just telling you my personal experience... No i dont have the carli springs. Wish i did. I drove my tuck for about 6 months before i put in the spaces. So i know how my truck felt. After i put in the spacers AND bilstien 5100's i noticed that the ride wasnt as smooth. and NO i dont know why. Maybe its just my truck. There are plenty of other people on here who know way more than i do. Maybe they will have an explination for you.
 

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Go ahead and put that spacer on top of the carli coils and see what u think and if u like it then keep it that way, if not then u will see what people are talking about. Just my opinion.
 

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mostly people buy Carli springs for the performance, you can get really rough with a set of spacers. have you ever seen a desert truck doin 100mph with spacers. if you are wanting a good ride and a little more lift with minimal off roading then it would be ok. IMO i'd just run the springs no spacers myself, but it's your truck.
 

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I've run a TGC 1.5'' and a Rize 2'' spacers on top of Carli 3'' coils against Sage Carli's recommendation. Ride did suffer. The additional height caused the control arms to be at a much steeper angle making the ride rougher. We backed out the compression valving in my shock since I figured that with a 2'' longer shock I would have more travel so I could go a little lighter on the valving. It really didnt help all that much.

For control arms I used the Procomp ones off their 5'' lift. The problem was they pushed my axle too far forward and my track bar would hit my diff before full compression. To properly lift the truck 5'' I also needed a track bar drop bracket, an adjustable track bar, drop pitman arm, longer shocks, longer limit straps. longer sway bar end links and longer bump stops. In the end it really didn't work out so I kept the Carli coils and got the rest of the Carli parts for a complete system used in the way it was desiged. It was AWESOME on and offroad. I can stuff 37'' tires under my 3'' of lift and not rub anywere so I really dont see the need for me to go up a couple more inches in lift.
 

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this is my "off road vehicle"



the diesel was bought for towin this thing to the trail. i really do appreciate all your guys opinions. i built my jeeps current suspension completely. double triangulated front and rear suspension coil-overs in front and coils in rear. pic is not current as right now its chopped up again and gettin a rear 14 bolt and front hp60.

now i am not talkin about using stock controll arms. i will be makin my own probably but would like to use just a kits components since i dont have the time to mess with this truck. i am looking for some one who found the right mixture of parts.
 

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mostly people buy Carli springs for the performance, you can get really rough with a set of spacers. have you ever seen a desert truck doin 100mph with spacers. if you are wanting a good ride and a little more lift with minimal off roading then it would be ok. IMO i'd just run the springs no spacers myself, but it's your truck.
have you been in a prerunner? i can say i never have seen a real desert truck flyin at 100 with a coil sprung front end. i know what your talkin about but i think people are confused on spacers ruining ride? its lowering your spring mount point. so is every one saying if i raise the bucket it would all of a sudden be smoother again? in the street spacers dont change a thing but in the off road worls truth is spacers are used all the time to fine toon suspension hight when a adj coil over or air shock is not bein used.

the problem alot of people are running into is not correcting the suspension geometry at the controll arms. now i am on here cuz i know some one has done this and i just want them to chime in and show off their fab work. is their a more hardcore cummins forum? i guess im used to pirate.

so for the sake of you guys forget about spacers and springs. any one with a 4-5" lift kit can you chime in on what controll arms your runnin? any pics of mounting locations? what else are you runnin? drop track bar bracket? sway bar links? drop pitman arm? any one know of brackt to raise the lower trackbar mount?

thanks guys! im not tryin to be rude at all im just at work so i may come off harsh. :banghead:
 

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You can get all the parts you need (I mentioned pretty much everything in my last post) at a place like Top Gun Customz. They will have the parts listed for the 4''-5'' of total lift that you need.

There are a more than a few coil spring (non-coilover) race trucks out there. And a whole lot of prerunners that can do 100+ in the open desert.

 

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thats an awesome vid but im sure he is not reachin 100mph... its funny you mention top guns i just found their site a moment ago and it was helpfull. i understand you told me about the drops and ends im gratefull just lookin for even more info. so what all are runnin now with the 37's? build thread?
 

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from my searching it looks as thogh i dont even have a true 2.5" lift as my stockers are probably sagging after 11 years of hard service and 180,000 miles. that mixed with reports that the carlis run a bit more then 3" leaves me to think i might be just happy with the carlis on their own. all that ill have to do is fab up some controll arms. i made a new thread about controll arms if you would like to let this one drop off.
 

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With the Carli coils fab up some .5'' longer control arms and get an adjustable track bar and you should be good to go.

and no that truck is not doing 100mph through those whoops but not many trucks outside of a full TT or top Class 1 car can. Open desert a lot of race and prerunners can do speeds in excess of 100 if powered, geared and suspended properly.
 

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With the Carli coils fab up some .5'' longer control arms and get an adjustable track bar and you should be good to go.

and no that truck is not doing 100mph through those whoops but not many trucks outside of a full TT or top Class 1 car can. Open desert a lot of race and prerunners can do speeds in excess of 100 if powered, geared and suspended properly.
as you can see im a crawler guys so i know some of my suspension knowlege does not carry over the same but when i go to races with my friends all i see on the tt's unlimiteds and all my friends race trucks all are dead co's and bypasses for the most. i have never seen a standard coil.... but i do have a adj 3rd gen and conversion bracket waitin to go in.
 

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by the way i was lookin at your ranger, that thing is sweet!

now are all four arms just .5 longer? any way to get a measurment of the new arms you got? do you know what size joints?
 

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Yeah if your racing unlimited class everyone is runnign c/o with a bypass and hydro bump combo. Much easier to tune and fit in compact spaces to yeild more travel.

However some classes like stock full only allows for the use of a stock like coil and non lengthened control arms...among other stock things.

That all being said I'm not the biggest fan of C/O for our DD/offroad trucks. I dont like the idea of having the entire weight of the heavy cummins motor and the rest of the truck supported by a single bolt in the upper and lower shock mount. I'm a fan of using the stock coil buckets and a strong shock tower for reliability to get me home. Besides Mike's 9300 c/o conversion I really havent seen a STRONG DD/offroad C/O set up on our trucks.

Thats a nice rig you have there. you live in the SoCal area?
 
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