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Is there a way to program mileage? And how is everyone changing tpms
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Apparently (just forgot his name) said in the next update he will give us access to change engine hours. There was a little discussion about if he can do that then changing mileage could also be enabled. So who knows we may have the ability to program mileage and hours if you do the premium cluster swap
Edit. Over in rf
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If you swap clusters to a nicer one there is a way to make the hours/miles in the cluster match your truck. Most of the companies selling the 7” EVIC upgrades online include programming for the cluster to match your trucks data with the purchase.
No you cannot change your cluster mileage with the program. Everything else you need to know (and more) is right here...
https://www.ramforum.com/threads/alfaobd.123982/
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Im curious if this will end up happening. I know there are some serious legal issues with changing miles in some states. I have swapped clusters in two vehicles over the years and had to sign a legal disclaimer for the state in both instances.
In the end, its your truck, you do what you want, I am not advocating either way as I believe there are circumstances where it should be allowed. Im more just curious about the legal implications of this.
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With Zero enforcement of state & federal emissions laws on these trucks, I don’t see odometer reading honesty being very enforceable. :confused013:
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@Electrojake You may be right. If changing odometers becomes that easy though it will definitely change how I shop for used trucks in the future though. Didn't Ferrari get busted for rolling back odometers a few years ago?
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Even when you change clusters and put on in with different mileage, it is my understanding that the actual mileage continues to be stored in the ECM and can be checked by the dealer. So even if you could use ALFA OBD to change the cluster mileage the values in the ECM would likely be unaffected.
There are companies that can reset mileage and hours with no questions asked no paperwork needed. People are doing the premium cluster swap all the time. I did it on my 2015 and may do it on my 2018. The mileage is stored in 2 places so it's a easy check to find out if the cluster has been messed with. So if Alexey gives us the ability to change mileage and hours ourselves he'd be saving the people who want to upgrade (and those who are scammers) clusters time and money.
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As I stated in the post above, it is possible to reset the cluster HOWEVER the ACTUAL values continue to be stored in the ECM and can be read by the dealership. I do not believe that any companies other then the dealership have the ability to change the stored hours and mileage in the ECM.
I don't think the dealers have the ability. They can't program mileage in the clusters
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The dealer can’t program clusters. They send them here to have them repaired/corrected Repair & Remanufacturing | United Radio.
Along with the cluster, the mileage is stored in the locked PCM and this software or any other will probably never be able to change that. He might be able to make the alfa capable of correcting the cluster mileage, which is no big deal because there is always the PCM to check it against.
As far as engine hours, the only place these are stored is in the cluster. The dealer’s wiTech isn’t even capable of pulling them up, and they’re not even important (more of a novelty), as they have no bearing on warranty to work and there are no laws about a vehicle keeping track of them.
Along with the cluster, the mileage is stored in the locked PCM and this software or any other will probably never be able to change that. He might be able to make the alfa capable of correcting the cluster mileage, which is no big deal because there is always the PCM to check it against.
As far as engine hours, the only place these are stored is in the cluster. The dealer’s wiTech isn’t even capable of pulling them up, and they’re not even important (more of a novelty), as they have no bearing on warranty to work and there are no laws about a vehicle keeping track of them.
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Well I have a 2018 ram with 6xxx miles did the evic swap and want to match the mileage.
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I didn't say that dealers could program clusters. What I said is no company other then a dealer would be able to access and/or the ECM engine hours and mileage. They would have to be able to program a new ECM to reflect the correct hours and mileage. My whole point is that there are people who would try to reset mileage to increase value, but it is not difficult for the dealer to read the ECM and get the true info.
Adding the ability in Alfa to change the cluster is a BAD idea. That just opens the door to fraud. Just send it off and get it done.
Yes the dealer can read the ECM but can Joe the consumer that is looking at buying a used truck? And how many dealers are going to look at the ECM to double check? ...None. They are going to look at the cluster and go, Wow, only 20K miles on this truck, I'll give you top dollar. And then some unknowing consumer will pay top dollar for this "low mileage" truck.
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Yes the dealer can read the ECM but can Joe the consumer that is looking at buying a used truck? And how many dealers are going to look at the ECM to double check? ...None. They are going to look at the cluster and go, Wow, only 20K miles on this truck, I'll give you top dollar. And then some unknowing consumer will pay top dollar for this "low mileage" truck.
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The "correct" way would be go through the dealer (not a 100%sure if they would accept a used cluster or make you buy new) have the dealer send the cluster out, leave your truck there for a few days, have it on record that a replacement cluster was installed and verified by the dealer, then depending on your state may have to inform the dmv that a replacement cluster was installed. Or what 99% of us do, buy a used cluster send it out and tell the company what you want for mileage and hours. they don't ask for any verification that that's the correct numbers and I think we sign a waiver releasing them of liability. So the trust is placed on us to do the right thing. So if we gain access to being able to change mileage and hours doesn't change anything in my mind. It's on us to do the right thing. A couple people have said they video documented the swap so if any questions were asked when selling they had video proof. And that's a great idea. Scammers will always have a way, I don't think having access through this app to change mileage is going to change anything. I think there's an app (or was, I remember seeing something on YouTube a couple years back when I was researching the premium cluster swap for our trucks) that allows you to change mileage in some older gm vehicles.
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Every thing you say is true, however if I am looking at this low mileage truck and suspect anything I will tell the dealer that I want the info checked in the ECM and I WANT to be there when they do it or no deal! They will check it if they want to sell the truck.
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