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The whole point is educating new users. Whether or not they spend money on diesel additives is their choice, but I'm against them making that choice based on the myths and exaggerations of additive manufacturers and uneducated current users. This thread is about adding used (waste) motor oil to the fuel. I challenge anyone to list one thing that is smart about introducing the contaminates (silicon, sodium and potassium) and wear metals (iron, aluminum, copper, tin, lead, nickel, chromium, cadmium, silver and vanadium) found in WMO into the fuel system. Lets not forget the additive package of the motor oil out of the bottle, which could account for 40% of the volume (titanium, molybdenum, antimony, manganese, lithium, boron, magnesium, calcium, barium, phosphorus, and zinc). How many of those burn faster than diesel and which do not burn at all? The oil itself has a different flash point than diesel. Check the web for pictures of the carbon deposits found on the injectors of engine that have been burning WMO.

This thread is about adding used (waste) motor oil to the fuel.
Only because you drug it out into the weeds, misread and misrepresented the thread and ideas, and just plain loaded it up with your typical self-centered in love with your own voice opinions and backwards reasoning crap.

Let us look at what the thread starter actually said, not what you evidently cannot comprehend:

I wanted to start a Thread for members who use and believe in adding lube to their fuel for making there engine last longer and better MPG's.

Nope, nothing there about used motor oil or anything else OTHER than adding lube to the fuel for better results. Period. Anything you have posted has been pure opinion with diddly to back it up other than you setting yourself up as the authority because your drive what?? Oh yeah, a tractor engine that is known for its ability to ingest the worst fuels and keep running. That is what tractor engines do. End of story.

As for all you demands, why don't post a scientific study that absolutely refutes that lube and additives in ULSD do NOT provide any benefit. You have been give reams of proof that is does in fact provide a benefit but your belief system is so broken it won't allow you to see what is in front of you. Prove your opinions have some basis in fact instead of obsolete irrelevant nonsense. Offer ANY proof that additional lube in ULSD is a BAD thing, that it doesn't extend the MTBF of the fuel system and engine, and it does NOT increase fuel efficiency.

Keeping new users and those genuinely interested in the subject from being poisoned by your arrogance and ignorance IS what this thread is about. Your lack of understanding is a function of your inadequacies, not our problem. Put up up or SHUT up!!!
 

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...... misread and misrepresented the thread and ideas........
I have to concede, for this one thing you are correct. The WMO stuck in my mind and I didn't bother to check the first posts prior to posting.
 

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Let us look at what the thread starter actually said, not what you evidently cannot comprehend:

I wanted to start a Thread for members who use and believe in adding lube to their fuel for making there engine last longer and better MPG's.

Nope, nothing there about used motor oil or anything else OTHER than adding lube to the fuel for better results. Period.
Nope nothing other than the very next sentence; "I have 2 12v's I have been using filtered WMO for 7 years, usually add 1/2 to 1 gallon per tank at fill up." :rof

....why don't post a scientific study that absolutely refutes that lube and additives in ULSD do NOT provide any benefit. You have been give reams of proof that is does in fact provide a benefit but your belief system is so broken it won't allow you to see what is in front of you. Prove your opinions have some basis in fact instead of obsolete irrelevant nonsense. Offer ANY proof that additional lube in ULSD is a BAD thing, that it doesn't extend the MTBF of the fuel system and engine, and it does NOT increase fuel efficiency.
Wow, quite a rant. Where do I start? I have never stated, not once, "that lube and additives in ULSD do NOT provide any benefit.", I've only stated that ULSD from the pump has all the lubricity that is required for any diesel engine. The proof is all around you. Fewer than 1% of diesel owners put additives into the fuel they buy. Look around you, open your eyes. How often have you seen someone at another pump pouring something out of a bottle into their tank? If you are truthful, it is not very often. Large trucking companies have thousands of trucks. Very few truckers use additives. As I've pointed out to you, if there was any proof it is needed the trash cans at the fuel islands would be overflowing with empty bottles. I can't provide a scientific study that says diesel from the pump has sufficient lubricity because it is obvious that it does. The roads and highways are not lined with broken down diesel powered vehicles. It would be like proving water is wet.

You have not provided even one piece of evidence that after market additives "in fact provide a benefit. Not one. You have provide several articles that promote products. You have provided a phony additive test that any one who was awake in high school science class would recognize an advertisement. You did once provide an actual scientific test concerning lubricity that you tried to pass off as relevant. Why is it you never posted on that thread again after I pointed out it was published 10 years before ULSD was mandated? You can't come up with a study to back up your blarney because, again, it is obvious that it isn't true. It would be like proving water is dry.

You keep putting words into my mouth. I have never stated "that additional lube in ULSD is a BAD thing". Why would I? I seek out B20 when I'm in Oregon because it costs a lot less than the B3 that is mandated in Oregon. The extra lubricity isn't the selling point. I've never stated that "that it doesn't extend the MTBF of the fuel system and engine" You and I know that modern diesel engines go a million miles and more before needing rebuild without any extra additives. There isn't anything except anecdotal evidence that says it does increase MTBF so I can't prove it either way..........and neither can you. I've also never said "it does NOT increase fuel efficiency" although the one semi controlled test I did with an additive produced slightly lower mpg than normal. I've only said that any increases in mileage have been proven to be costlier to a fleet owner than not using additives. In other words, the increase in mileage was offset by the cost of the additive making the cost per mile go up. Those were trucks that were driven on the same dedicated routes by the same drivers day after day. Not one of the writers of claimed mileage increases on this or any other forum has done a controlled comparison that tracked mileage of thousands of gallons of fuel. Any one of us can see 2 mpg changes from one tank to the next just by changing altitude, speed, traffic, or weather. It is the long range record keeping that needs to be done, and frankly, few pickup owners put that many miles on their vehicles. I do put those kinds of miles on mine, yet cannot accurately compare mileage because my loads and routes are always changing.[/QUOTE]



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Only because you drug it out into the weeds, misread and misrepresented the thread and ideas, and just plain loaded it up with your typical self-centered in love with your own voice opinions and backwards reasoning crap.

Let us look at what the thread starter actually said, not what you evidently cannot comprehend:

I wanted to start a Thread for members who use and believe in adding lube to their fuel for making there engine last longer and better MPG's.

Nope, nothing there about used motor oil or anything else OTHER than adding lube to the fuel for better results. Period. Anything you have posted has been pure opinion with diddly to back it up other than you setting yourself up as the authority because your drive what?? Oh yeah, a tractor engine that is known for its ability to ingest the worst fuels and keep running. That is what tractor engines do. End of story.

As for all you demands, why don't post a scientific study that absolutely refutes that lube and additives in ULSD do NOT provide any benefit. You have been give reams of proof that is does in fact provide a benefit but your belief system is so broken it won't allow you to see what is in front of you. Prove your opinions have some basis in fact instead of obsolete irrelevant nonsense. Offer ANY proof that additional lube in ULSD is a BAD thing, that it doesn't extend the MTBF of the fuel system and engine, and it does NOT increase fuel efficiency.

Keeping new users and those genuinely interested in the subject from being poisoned by your arrogance and ignorance IS what this thread is about. Your lack of understanding is a function of your inadequacies, not our problem. Put up up or SHUT up!!!
Nope nothing other than the very next sentence; "I have 2 12v's I have been using filtered WMO for 7 years, usually add 1/2 to 1 gallon per tank at fill up." :rof



Wow, quite a rant. Where do I start? I have never stated, not once, "that lube and additives in ULSD do NOT provide any benefit.", I've only stated that ULSD from the pump has all the lubricity that is required for any diesel engine. The proof is all around you. Fewer than 1% of diesel owners put additives into the fuel they buy. Look around you, open your eyes. How often have you seen someone at another pump pouring something out of a bottle into their tank? If you are truthful, it is not very often. Large trucking companies have thousands of trucks. Very few truckers use additives. As I've pointed out to you, if there was any proof it is needed the trash cans at the fuel islands would be overflowing with empty bottles. I can't provide a scientific study that says diesel from the pump has sufficient lubricity because it is obvious that it does. The roads and highways are not lined with broken down diesel powered vehicles. It would be like proving water is wet.

You have not provided even one piece of evidence that after market additives "in fact provide a benefit. Not one. You have provide several articles that promote products. You have provided a phony additive test that any one who was awake in high school science class would recognize an advertisement. You did once provide an actual scientific test concerning lubricity that you tried to pass off as relevant. Why is it you never posted on that thread again after I pointed out it was published 10 years before ULSD was mandated? You can't come up with a study to back up your blarney because, again, it is obvious that it isn't true. It would be like proving water is dry.

You keep putting words into my mouth. I have never stated "that additional lube in ULSD is a BAD thing". Why would I? I seek out B20 when I'm in Oregon because it costs a lot less than the B3 that is mandated in Oregon. The extra lubricity isn't the selling point. I've never stated that "that it doesn't extend the MTBF of the fuel system and engine" You and I know that modern diesel engines go a million miles and more before needing rebuild without any extra additives. There isn't anything except anecdotal evidence that says it does increase MTBF so I can't prove it either way..........and neither can you. I've also never said "it does NOT increase fuel efficiency" although the one semi controlled test I did with an additive produced slightly lower mpg than normal. I've only said that any increases in mileage have been proven to be costlier to a fleet owner than not using additives. In other words, the increase in mileage was offset by the cost of the additive making the cost per mile go up. Those were trucks that were driven on the same dedicated routes by the same drivers day after day. Not one of the writers of claimed mileage increases on this or any other forum has done a controlled comparison that tracked mileage of thousands of gallons of fuel. Any one of us can see 2 mpg changes from one tank to the next just by changing altitude, speed, traffic, or weather. It is the long range record keeping that needs to be done, and frankly, few pickup owners put that many miles on their vehicles. I do put those kinds of miles on mine, yet cannot accurately compare mileage because my loads and routes are always changing.

I did. YOUR TURN![/QUOTE]



How about you two take this argument over to PM's? You've both stated your position and anything more is not going to help this thread out.

Your arguing back & forth serves no purpose for the forum IMO...
 

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Some people just spit back and forth over an issue because they have nothing else to do

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I came to this forum, looking for a place to find info on my truck. Also hopefully to avoid the drama and bs you find on the Facebook pages. But.,...here it's ..........
 

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I came to this forum, looking for a place to find info on my truck.
And here you get both sides. Not the edited version that the OP envisioned. Rejoice!
 

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As I understand it, that's where you're supposed to tell the world that you woke up, brushed your teeth, went shopping, what you had for lunch, and so on.

Not that I know why anyone would write about such things for everybody to read, but at least it makes a bit more sense than that others read it.
 

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I was waiting for that video to pop up on here, haha.

Good thread to post it in with the "bonus" product they tested ;)
 

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The debate is whether or not ULSD needs a lubricity additive, not if a lubricity additive really adds lubricity. I don't think that there is any argument that adding oil will add lube.
I agree. The keyword is “need”. Lots of guys run without lube so they would seem to prove it isn’t needed. The real question is whether the use of the lube is beneficial. I personally believe that it adds lubricity and I see that as smart, especially since my CP 4.2 is supposedly a ticking time bomb. Exploding parts usually start with friction.
 

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I personally believe that it adds lubricity and I see that as smart, especially since my CP 4.2 is supposedly a ticking time bomb. Exploding parts usually start with friction.
Supposedly being the key word. You buy additives without any proof what so ever that they will extend the life of the CP. I see that as dumb.
 

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Supposedly being the key word. You buy additives without any proof what so ever that they will extend the life of the CP. I see that as dumb.
I spend under $.25 a gallon to improve the cetane rating. The added lubricity is another benefit. The CP failure hasn’t even been documented in the 6.7 Cummins so it’s pennies on the gallon to add a layer of protection. Pennies. Worrying about wasting pennies is the “dumb” thing.
 
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