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I am looking for a 5x014 145* VCO nozzle, I called a supplier and they gave me this Bosch part number 0433175081, I googled it and it from what I can tell it's a DSLA 145 P 477

Is this actually correct? Because when I look that up I'm getting results for a 5x010 nozzle

If it is, yipee, my parts engine has a set of them in genuine bosch!
 

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The nozzle # you were given is the stock nozzle for a 215hp inj @ 5x10
You are not going to find a stock Bosch 5x14 VCO nozzle. Aftermarket only. Simple as that.
 

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dang..

I have been toying with the idea of a 7x11 or so.. any chance of those?
 

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dang..

I have been toying with the idea of a 7x11 or so.. any chance of those?
I personally have tested 6 hole & 7 hole of different sizes ( I build my own injectors in house ) and they are all a step back apples to apples from same size cross sectional area of a 5 hole every time. Loss of mid & top end is the biggest draw back of the more hole inj’s.
 

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how are EGT's with the more holes? I could afford a little loss of top end, it's still a work truck, I'm trying to clean up haze and improve spool a little at this point..
 

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how are EGT's with the more holes? I could afford a little loss of top end, it's still a work truck, I'm trying to clean up haze and improve spool a little at this point..
I actually found egt’s were higher....maybe because I didn’t experiment with changing pump timing but I’m sure it was due to the fuel being a bit slower getting into the cylinders seeing as the holes are smaller, so hence the flame front/timing changed.

lol. No one can afford to loose a little top end. Problem is you also loose midrange too with more holes. Bottom is slightly better but again most likely due to the change in timing of slower fueling.
My findings were power went down drastically & smokier from mid to high rpm. Not anywhere near worth the slightly & I say slightly cleaner bottom end. Leave the more hole inj’s for the higher pressure inj pumps that can take advantage of them.

If you are hazing, it’s due to a poor quality nozzle, worn out nozzle or wrong spray angle. The wider the spray angle the better the turbo spool-up but only to a certain point. You would benefit from say a 5x13 @ 148deg SAC than a same size 5x13 @ 145deg SAC or VCO for power & spool-up, without any noticeable haze difference.
Have you noticed that all the manufactures are now running SAC style inj’s in all the newer engines. There is a reason for that, as pointed out.
See what I’m saying.
 

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I actually found egt’s were higher....maybe because I didn’t experiment with changing pump timing but I’m sure it was due to the fuel being a bit slower getting into the cylinders seeing as the holes are smaller, so hence the flame front/timing changed.

lol. No one can afford to loose a little top end. Problem is you also loose midrange too with more holes. Bottom is slightly better but again most likely due to the change in timing of slower fueling.
My findings were power went down drastically & smokier from mid to high rpm. Not anywhere near worth the slightly & I say slightly cleaner bottom end. Leave the more hole inj’s for the higher pressure inj pumps that can take advantage of them.

If you are hazing, it’s due to a poor quality nozzle, worn out nozzle or wrong spray angle. The wider the spray angle the better the turbo spool-up but only to a certain point. You would benefit from say a 5x13 @ 148deg SAC than a same size 5x13 @ 145deg SAC or VCO for power & spool-up, without any noticeable haze difference.
Have you noticed that all the manufactures are now running SAC style inj’s in all the newer engines. There is a reason for that, as pointed out.
See what I’m saying.
Yes, I know SAC provides a little more power for a given hole size, but BD did some testing and they found them FAR dirtier.. I had a set of 5x012 155* SAC injectors and I went to 5x014 145* VCO.. here's the spray pattern
 

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So your running 145* nozzles on 1st gen pistons?
 

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SAC certainly doesn't provide a "far dirtier burn", BD testing or not.

If 155 degrees provide a dirty burn on the pistons you posted a pic of, I'd look to the injector build, even with decently advanced timing.

Within sensible parameters, injector cleanliness & performance greatly depends on the builder, more than the type of nozzle.

Yes, I know SAC provides a little more power for a given hole size, but BD did some testing and they found them FAR dirtier.. I had a set of 5x012 155* SAC injectors and I went to 5x014 145* VCO.. here's the spray pattern
 

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Yes, I know SAC provides a little more power for a given hole size, but BD did some testing and they found them FAR dirtier.. I had a set of 5x012 155* SAC injectors and I went to 5x014 145* VCO.. here's the spray pattern
The 5x12 SAC @ 155 deg inj you were running was a set of marine 370’s.....yes, not known for being the cleanest inj but with your non-IC pistons having the wider/bigger bowl changes things some, as your compression is lower than stock.
Ofelas is running the 5x13 SAC @ 148deg with optional pintle lift on stock size piston bowls and it runs clean. Maybe he will chime in more about the SAC vs the VCO deal. BD tends to push what they want, so I would take it with a grain of salt. I know Ofelas has tried many different inj’s because he gets bored & just likes to try different parts.

You live less than 2 hrs south of me & about 3000ft lower.....as mentioned before, there is no reason for your engine to haze with 5x14 VCO @ 145deg once warmed up unless the nozzles are of poor quality, wrong bar, worn out, leaking valve seals, very low compression, problem with rings, weak inj pump, low fuel pressure, wrong timing... etc etc.
 

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Non ic pistons have a wider bowl but it's not as deep as 2nd gen's, compression is nearly the same, marine pistons have even larger bowls with lower compression.
 

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Non ic pistons have a wider bowl but it's not as deep as 2nd gen's, compression is nearly the same, marine pistons have even larger bowls with lower compression.
47.1cc vs 45.4cc’s not huge change but still some.
 
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