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I passed by my usual gas station and noticed that diesel went up .10 cents in one night! :thud:The prediction is another .30 cents by Memorial day! I guess the day is coming when I will call the bank and say come get the truck because I can't make payments and by fuel. :CRY: The sad thing is the lack of leadership in our country from either party. It's time for the average Ameican to get angry!:kill:
 

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isnt that the truth, what you need to do along with everyone who owns any type of diesel is build their own biodiesel processor. This will eventually cripple the oil companies and lower the gas prices. At that point what I think will happen is biodiesel will be the next "moonshine".
 

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Just got to be careful with the mixtures. A friend of mine and myself made about four batches of bio and decided to stop. We couldn't get the mixture right and kept clogging up filters and he even had an injector or two get clogged! The system we used didn't involve any type of "cooking" or heat. Figured we didn't wanna blow up his neighborhood! :lol3:
 

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I feel your pain and it hurts my pocket too.

What do you think that either party can do to reduce the price of fuel? I am not in love with the current state of American politcs and government (or the near term future prospects for that matter), but it is the world fuel market driving fuel prices, not the US government. I think that expecting that the government can "fix" it is unrealistic.
 

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yea im filling up in PA and it is 4.49 last time i got it :( :(
 

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I feel your pain and it hurts my pocket too.

What do you think that either party can do to reduce the price of fuel? I am not in love with the current state of American politcs and government (or the near pterm future prospects for that matter), but it is the world fuel market driving fuel prices, not the US government. I think that expecting that the government can "fix" it is unrealistic.

what the government can do is regulate fuel prices to give them a maximum price so it does not destroy the economy
 

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the problem is the devalued dollar, not the oil industry. Ever take notw of how high food prices have risen? Whenthe price of everything goes up, it's inflation.

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Fuel Prices

Funny thing is, I heard on the news the other day that Diesel in Mexico is like $2 per gallon. There was a trucking company in Texas I think, near the border, that was driving down to fill up there trucks in Mexico in order to stay in business.

It totally does not make sense to me why fuel in Mexico cost half what it does here?? Aren't the fuel companies making enough money. The Govt should be regulating this or better yet, take it over if they can be fair with their prices and stop ripping us off.
 

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I feel your pain and it hurts my pocket too.

What do you think that either party can do to reduce the price of fuel? I am not in love with the current state of American politics and government (or the near term future prospects for that matter), but it is the world fuel market driving fuel prices, not the US government. I think that expecting that the government can "fix" it is unrealistic.
What the "government" can do is implement a energy plan that puts oil exploration in our country as the #1 priority. We need to tap our resources and put our people to work. The ethanol (bio fuel) plan is a farce and driving up the price of food. What is needed is to put our energy needs as a national priority and not a "what ever happens will happen" attitude. This country is in need of a leader that understands what is going on and not bury their heads in their:butt:. But neither party has the backbone to stand up to the environmental wackos.:thud:
 

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I drive for a living not truck but have to drive in my work and it sucks. Price of fuel goes up but I don't get anymore pay for that. Something has to be done. I don't care what just something. The economy will stay down until something good happens. people can't live like this. I don't care if it is a dem. repub. or other in office the economy is going to be bad and get worst until something is done about fuel cost. Bottom line.
 

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A Couple Of Guys At Work Have Been Blending Their Own Diesel For About A Year Now.they Have Older Model Trucks .they Say Their Fuel Is Cleaner And Runs With More Power Than Regular Diesel.you Should Always Change Your Filters Before Running Bio,and Change Them Often For A While Because It Cleans The Crud Off Of The Walls Of Your Fuel Lines Left From The Regular Stuff.has Anyone Tried Bio In The New 6.7 Liter Yet?
 

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what the government can do is regulate fuel prices to give them a maximum price so it does not destroy the economy
Well, we tried that between 1973 and 1981 and it resulted in higher than ever prices, lines at the gas pumps, and shortages bad enough to cause rationing. Most of Europe has government regulated fuel prices and their fuel prices are higher than ours. Price regulation is typically only the answer where true monopolies exist (like electricty providers). We don't have that in the gasoline/diesel industry. We certainly have collusion between the players, but that is an entirely different story.

Government Regulation has already caused the INCREASE in the price of fuel. Government regulation has mandated ULSD - more expensive. Government has mandated the use of ethanol - more expensive (per mile), especially when you account for the subsidies to that industry that you pay for with your taxes. Government regulation has mandated different formulations of gasoline in different parts of the country at different times of the year. This has fragmented the fuel industry into a bunch of "boutique fuels" with much higher production costs. We have lost the economy of scale when there were fewer standard formulations.

You can't expect the government to mandate a company to sell something for less than is costs them to provide it. And the oil will go to the highest global bidder. If low prices are mandated, then the US gas/diesel suppliers will have to put a cap on what they can pay for oil. It will simply go to whoever is willing to pay the most for it. Iupply and demand is a global reality. If we don't buy it at the market price, then China or one of the other developing countries will. In today's world market, the US uses a lower percentage of the total world oil market every year. While our usage has been increasing in a Mbpd (million barrels per day) measure, it has been a decreasing portion of the total market. That is because countries like China and India have increased their consumption of oil by astronomical rates. There is much more demand for oil than there ever was, and someone will buy the oil that we won't. We don't have the influence over the oil suppliers that we used to.

What the "government" can do is implement a energy plan that puts oil exploration in our country as the #1 priority. We need to tap our resources and put our people to work. The ethanol (bio fuel) plan is a farce and driving up the price of food. What is needed is to put our energy needs as a national priority and not a "what ever happens will happen" attitude. This country is in need of a leader that understands what is going on and not bury their heads in their:butt:. But neither party has the backbone to stand up to the environmental wackos.:thud:
I agree that this is a much more realistic expectation, but not a short term one. However I feel that it will take much more than just a change in leadership. No new administration can make this happen on their own. The House and the Senate also needs a paradigm shift as well as the general public - or it will never happen. The "environmental wackos" currently have effective tools to stymie progress in this area, and have been for years.
 

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alot of people are goin out of business around here because of the price. we have a lumber co. and were not hurtin to bad but the loggers are using so much fuel they have to sell out. it terrible. wen fuel and everything else go's up pay needs to go up to match
 

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try 4.64 in upstate ny ....
 

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My question is this... The oil producers sell the oil, and the refineries buy the oil. What the H!!! are the speculators doing in the middle (besides lining their pockets). Get rid of the middle man and prices would tumble. By the way, Mexico has a government owned oil company that drills, refines, and sells the product which is my point.
 

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Watched a deal on the news a few weeks back where Washington had pulled all the major oil companies in for a talk. The panel was asking about oil and prices and fuel and such. When the panel questioned the substantial profit the companies reported last year they all agreed it was true. When asked if they had any plans to reduce profit to offset the current fuel costs, they all looked like deer caught in the headlights!

They've got us by the proverbial "short and curlys". Fuel is one of the items traded on the futures market that is truly a necessity, gas or diesel. And of course foods. Saw on TV this morning where rice is in short supply and alot of rice "rationing" is going on.
 

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I was checking out fortune 500 companies the other day and on the top 10 list I think it was 4 or 5 were oil companies.

So my questions is, If these companies are making billions and billions of dollars, why isnt there a way to cut the overall price? Or have the gov't lessen what they are adding on in tax. Well because it will hurt the Gov't overalls pocket book, We are letting a group of jackasses run our country to the ground.

Granted I built a biodiesel process so im not paying that BS 4.50+ per gallon but at the same time my methanol prices are shooting up!

I dont understand how an average american is supposed to pay rent/mortgage, gas and buy food? Its ridiculios. Not to mention if hillary gets into office and they pass that health care BS plan.

The next 4 years are going to be interesting as hell in my book.....Good luck eveyone!
 

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I have three stations within as many miles: Horizon $4.19, Shell $4.39 and BP$4.09. Go figure! It is the rape of the American public!
A long time ago, I was told that there are five people that run this country and the President is not one of them. The Union, Oil, Insurance, and Auto leaders are four of them. Never knew who the fifth was. Today I would guess Wal-Mart.
 
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