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Anyone know how to turn a 3306b cat up? its in a 1989 kenworth. Its to slow on the hills:CRY:
 

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Sorry don't miss with ***** cats. :lol3: just kiding. What type of pump does it have on it, is it a common rail?
 

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that engine would not be common rail injection, im not sure hjow its done, but i ccan find out, i used to be a cat technician
 

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No its not common rail. It is some kind of inline pump. I think maybe cat made their own pump?
 

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Anyone know how to turn a 3306b cat up? its in a 1989 kenworth. Its to slow on the hills:CRY:
That is a fairly small engine in that size of a truck. I think the strongest was without me looking up specs, 330 HP and somewhere under 700 lb ft torque. Give me the serial number of engine and I can get specs off of Caterpillar web site and tell you if you can improve any.
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model is 3306b serial is 63Z12417. I think thats right its kinda faded. hopefully there is something i can do for it.
 

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model is 3306b serial is 63Z12417. I think thats right its kinda faded. hopefully there is something i can do for it.
Here the test specs when new...Engine Test [63Z12417] May 21, 2008
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Sales Model: 3306
Built Date: 29Sep1988 Tested Date: 29Sep1988 Shipped Date: 31Oct1988
Tested: DD Plant: Mossville Test Number: 01 Cell Number: 27

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Test Element Eng Updates Test Value Spec Value Label
Spec Number 0T7953 0T7953
Arrangement Number 9Y9226 9Y9226
Corr Fl Power 296 294 HP
Speed 1,800 1,800 RPM
COR FL FUEL RATE 14.7 14.5 GAL/HR
CSFC 0.351 0.346 LB/HP-HR
Adj Boost 36.1 35.4 IN HG
Fuel Pressure 35 PSI
Oil Pressure 55 59 PSI
TQ COR FUEL RATE 14.3 GAL/HR
TQ CK CSFC LB/HP-HR
TQ CK ADJ BST IN HG
Torq Ck Speed 1,500 1,500 RPM
TQ CK COR TQ 985 990 LB/FT
Low Idle Speed 753 750 RPM
Low Idle Oil Pressure 23 25 PSI
High Idle Speed 2,033 2,035 RPM
Response Time 6.0 SEC
FL ST F SET 0.108 0.108 IN
FT ST F SET IN
Timing Dim
FLS (INTRCPT)
FTS (SLOPE)
Advertised Power 300 hp
Advertised Speed 1,800 RPM
Advertised Torque 1,050 LB/FT


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model is 3306b serial is 63Z12417. I think thats right its kinda faded. hopefully there is something i can do for it.
Here's more info. More power than I thought they were. Maybe it needs to be rebuilt. A lot of miles?Truck Engine Performance Data [63Z12417] May 21, 2008
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Performance Number: TM4760 Change Level: Current 00 01 02 03

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Sales Model: 3306BDITA Combustion: DI Aspr: TA
Engine Power: 300 HP Speed: 1,800 RPM After Cooler: ATAAC
Manifold Type: DRY Governor Type: HYDRA After Cooler Temp(F): --
Turbo Quantity: Engine App: TR Turbo Arrangement:
Engine Rating: TR Strategy:
Rating Type: HEAVY DUTY Certification: EPA/CARB

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General Performance Data 1 ENGINE SPEED RPM ENGINE POWER BHP ENGINE TORQUE LB.FT ENGINE BMEP PSI FUEL BSFC LB/BHP-HR FUEL RATE GPH INTAKE MFLD TEMP DEG F INTAKE MFLD P IN-HG INTAKE AIR FLOW CFM EXH MFLD TEMP DEG F EXH STACK TEMP DEG F EXH GAS FLOW CFM
1800 300 876 207 0.349 15.0 103.8 37.0 702.1 1,129.1 920.8 1,808.5
1750 302 906 214 0.348 15.0 104.0 37.7 693.2 1,138.5 925.9 1,797.9
1700 302 933 221 0.347 15.0 103.8 38.1 680.9 1,148.7 933.8 1,779.9
1650 302 960 227 0.347 14.9 103.5 38.2 666.0 1,159.5 944.1 1,754.8
1600 300 984 233 0.346 14.8 103.1 38.1 647.7 1,171.4 957.2 1,722.7
1550 297 1,005 238 0.345 14.6 102.4 37.7 625.8 1,184.4 973.4 1,683.1
1500 292 1,022 242 0.345 14.4 101.5 36.9 601.1 1,197.9 991.8 1,636.5
1450 286 1,037 245 0.345 14.1 100.4 35.8 572.8 1,212.3 1,012.3 1,582.1
1400 279 1,047 248 0.345 13.7 99.0 34.4 542.8 1,226.8 1,033.0 1,521.4
1350 270 1,050 248 0.346 13.3 97.2 32.7 511.7 1,241.1 1,053.3 1,454.6
1300 259 1,047 248 0.348 12.9 94.6 30.9 480.6 1,252.9 1,070.6 1,383.6

Heat Rejection Data ENGINE SPEED RPM ENGINE POWER BHP REJ TO JW BTU/MN REJ TO ATMOS BTU/MN REJ TO EXHAUST BTU/MN FROM OIL CLR BTU/MN FROM AFT CLR BTU/MN WORK ENERGY BTU/MN
1800 300 5,084.0 2,303.0 12,000.0 1,717.0 2,116.0 12,739.0
1750 302 5,090.0 2,371.0 11,943.0 1,723.0 2,110.0 12,796.0
1700 302 5,084.0 2,423.0 11,886.0 1,723.0 2,093.0 12,796.0
1650 302 5,067.0 2,457.0 11,772.0 1,712.0 2,053.0 12,796.0
1600 300 5,044.0 2,474.0 11,601.0 1,700.0 1,996.0 12,682.0
1550 297 5,016.0 2,474.0 11,431.0 1,678.0 1,922.0 12,568.0
1500 292 4,982.0 2,451.0 11,203.0 1,649.0 1,831.0 12,398.0
1450 286 4,925.0 2,417.0 10,976.0 1,615.0 1,723.0 12,113.0
1400 279 4,885.0 2,371.0 10,692.0 1,575.0 1,598.0 11,829.0
1350 270 4,834.0 2,309.0 10,464.0 1,530.0 1,456.0 11,431.0
1300 259 4,783.0 2,241.0 10,180.0 1,479.0 1,302.0 11,033.0


The powers listed above and all the Powers displayed are Corrected Powers

Identification Reference and Notes Engine Arrangement: 7C1520 Lube Oil Press @ Rated Spd(PSI): 56.6
Effective Serial No: 63Z12818 Piston Speed @ Rated Eng SPD(FT/Min): 1,771.7
Primary Engine Test Spec: 0T7953 Max Operating Altitude(FT): 7,381.9
Performance Parm Ref: TM5740 PEEC Elect Control Module Ref
Performance Data Ref: TM4760 PEEC Personality Cont Mod Ref
Aux Coolant Pump Perf Ref:
Cooling System Perf Ref: TM3016 Turbocharger Model S4DS014-1.58 VTF
Certification Ref: EPA/CARB Fuel Injector 8N7003
Certification Year: Timing-Static (DEG): 12.00
Compression Ratio: 16.0 Timing-Static Advance (DEG): 5.00
Combustion System: DI Timing-Static (MM): --
Aftercooler Temperature (F): -- Unit Injector Timing (MM): --
Crankcase Blowby Rate(CFH): -- Torque Rise (percent) 20.0
Fuel Rate (Rated RPM) No Load(Gal/HR): -- Peak Torque Speed RPM 1350
Lube Oil Press @ Low Idle Spd(PSI): 23.9 Peak Torque (LB/FT): 1,050.3

Reference
Number: TM4760 THIS ENGINE PERFORMANCE DATA IS TYPICAL OF
THE ENGINES APPROVED BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL
PROTECTION AGENCY (EPA) AND THE CALIFORNIA
AIR RESOURCES BOARD (CARB) FOR CALENDAR
YEAR 1989. THIS DATA MAY CHANGE SUBJECT TO
EPA AND CARB APPROVED ENGINEERING CHANGES.

Parameters
Reference: TM5740 TRUCK - ON HIGHWAY TOLERANCES: AMBIENT AIR CONDITIONS AND FUEL USED WILL AFFECT THESE VALUES. EACH OF THE VALUES MAY VARY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING TOLERANCES. POWER +/- 3% EXHAUST STACK TEMPERATURE +/- 8% INLET AIR FLOW +/- 5% INTAKE MANIFOLD PRESSURE - GAGE +/- 10% EXHAUST FLOW +/- 6% SPECIFIC FUEL CONSUMPTION +/- 3% FUEL RATE +/- 5% HEAT REJECTION +/- 5% HEAT REJECTION EXHAUST ONLY +/- 10% CONDITIONS: ENGINE PERFORMANCE IS CORRECTED TO INLET AIR STANDARD CONDITIONS OF 99 KPA (29.31 IN HG) AND 25 DEG C (77 DEG F). THESE VALUES CORRESPOND TO STANDARD ATMOSPHERIC PRESSURE AND TEMPERATURE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SAE J1995. ALSO INCLUDED IS A CORRECTION TO STANDARD FUEL GRAVITY OF 35 DEGREES API HAVING A LOWER HEATING VALUE OF 42,780 KJ/KG (18,390 BTU/LB) WHEN USED AT 29 DEG C (84.2 DEG F) WHERE THE DENSITY IS 838.9 G/L (7.002 LB/GAL). THE CORRECTED PERFORMANCE VALUES SHOWN FOR CATERPILLAR ENGINES WILL APPROXIMATE THE VALUES OBTAINED WHEN THE OBSERVED PERFORMANCE DATA IS CORRECTED TO SAE J1995, ISO 3046-2 & 8665 & 2288 & 9249 & 1585, EEC 80/1269 AND DIN 70020 STANDARD REFERENCE CONDITIONS. ENGINES ARE EQUIPPED WITH STANDARD ACCESSORIES; LUBE OIL, FUEL PUMP AND JACKET WATER PUMP. THE POWER REQUIRED TO DRIVE AUXILIARIES MUST BE DEDUCTED FROM THE GROSS OUTPUT TO ARRIVE AT THE NET POWER AVAILABLE FOR THE EXTERNAL (FLYWHEEL) LOAD. TYPICAL AUXILIARIES INCLUDE COOLING FANS, AIR COMPRESSORS, AND CHARGING ALTERNATORS. RATINGS MUST BE REDUCED TO COMPENSATE FOR ALTITUDE AND/OR AMBIENT TEMPERATURE CONDITIONS ACCORDING TO THE APPLICABLE DATA SHOWN ON THE PERFORMANCE DATA SET. ALTITUDE: ALTITUDE CAPABILITY - THE RECOMMENDED REDUCED POWER VALUES FOR SUSTAINED ENGINE OPERATION AT SPECIFIC ALTITUDE LEVELS AND AMBIENT TEMPERATURES. COLUMN "N" DATA - THE FLYWHEEL POWER OUTPUT AT NORMAL AMBIENT TEMPERATURE. AMBIENT TEMPERATURE - TO BE MEASURED AT THE AIR CLEANER AIR INLET DURING NORMAL ENGINE OPERATION. NORMAL TEMPERATURE - THE NORMAL TEMPERATURE AT VARIOUS SPECIFIC ALTITUDE LEVELS IS FOUND ON TM2001. RATINGS MUST BE REDUCED TO COMPENSATE FOR ALTITUDE AND/OR AMBIENT TEMPERATURE CONDITIONS ACCORDING TO THE APPLICABLE DATA SHOWN ON THE PERFORMANCE DATA SET. DEFINITIONS: MEDIUM DUTY - OUTPUT THAT SHOULD BE UTILIZED IN TRUCK TYPE VEHICLES PERFORMING SHORT HAUL PICK-UP AND DELIVERY OR OTHER URBAN TYPE SERVICES. HEAVY-DUTY - OUTPUT THAT SHOULD BE UTILIZED IN TRUCK TYPE VEHICLES PERFORMING INTERCITY AND LONG HAUL SERVICES.


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I saw on the 1st test the boost was35-36 in HG=17-18lbs , not very much IMO. Somebody, somewhere has or could have some Mods to put more fuel and boost, but probably custom made.Think double the power???
 

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Truck has 250000 some odd miles, so hardly what i would call wore out. We tow a 35000 pound Ag-bagger with it. I dont know if i am just used to cummins power LOL! but i think that that engine should be capable of more. it hardly smokes so i dont think its at its potential LOL!
 

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There's a pump procedure thats pretty involved that will turn the fuel to er'. I have a PDF on it at work I'll get it this afternoon and post it for you. That turbo has a mechanical wastegate which can be "adjusted" or Tied off. This will get you some more boost but with that size engine you are close to where you should be.

Thats a good little motor you've got there. Now if you had a 3406......:peelout
 

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Thats a good little motor you've got there. Now if you had a 3406......:peelout
if you had one of those you could EASILY get 550 horse out of it, maybe not out of a B model 3406, but i KNOW you can out of a 3406E:peelout:peelout
 

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Truck has 250000 some odd miles, so hardly what i would call wore out. We tow a 35000 pound Ag-bagger with it. I dont know if i am just used to cummins power LOL! but i think that that engine should be capable of more. it hardly smokes so i dont think its at its potential LOL!
Again I say a small engine for a lot of work. I would think the Cummins is double the size of this engine. If you are anywhere 10,000 hours or have used 30,000 gal of fuel, it's probably worn out. I measurement of the blow by would be a good indicator. Even my service truck has a C7 set at 300 HP and 860 lbft torque.It is 33,000 GVW and I would not want it any bigger with that engine.:T:
 

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if you had one of those you could EASILY get 550 horse out of it, maybe not out of a B model 3406, but i KNOW you can out of a 3406E:peelout:peelout
A 3406 is double the size of the 3306:rof
 

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What size is the 3306? cubic inch or liter wise that is. I would have to look at the hour meter to be sure but I dont think its anywhere near 10000 hour.
 

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What size is the 3306? cubic inch or liter wise that is. I would have to look at the hour meter to be sure but I dont think its anywhere near 10000 hour.
Your are just under 640 CID.. and a 3406 is 962 CID. Big difference . I would think 90 + % of trucks that size have the larger. :$::$::$:
 

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Your are just under 640 CID.. and a 3406 is 962 CID. Big difference . I would think 90 + % of trucks that size have the larger. :$::$::$:
250,000 miles @40MPH average works out to 6300 hours . That is with no idle time or warm up. Over the road trucks at best only average 45 MPH. Think about it...:CRY::CRY::CRY:
 

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im sure there are no electronics for that, as in programmers etc, but im sure there has to be a way to turn that pump up. maybe bigger injectors?
 
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