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FWIW, went to the dealer with a good friend last night to pick up his 2020 Dmax Denali HD and got to drive it back home for him.
Initial thoughts, it's a hell of a nice truck but I find the interior lacking compared to these new Ram trucks although it is really nice. Made fun of the rearview mirror and the ability to see the cargo camera through it, thought it was gimmicky at first but after 10 mins of driving I like it and would rather have that instead of a normal rearview. I also absolutely hate the mirrors, they look ugly af. It's his 6th duramax in 3 years. They have had good luck sending them over the border.
 

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I haven't been following the GM HD trucks at all.

Is it true that the new 10 speed "Allison" auto trans has nothing in common with the previous Allison 6 speed auto trans?
 

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I'm torn on my next truck, too. Currently driving a 2018 GMC 2500 w/Duramax. This is my 4th GMC/Chevy since 2007. I sandwiched a 2016 RAM 2500 CTD in there but sold it pretty quick. Didn't like the 68RFE.

The new GM 2500's are just so god awful ugly I'm not sure I want to buy another but the Dmax/Allison combo has been bullet proof for me. I sold the Ram because that tranny was always hunting and there was so much slip when I'd kick it down. If i lived in rural America the Ram wouldn't have been sold, but around traffic it drove me nuts. That's where the dilemma comes in. Our next truck needs to be a long term purchase and reliability is the highest priority.

-2019-2020 Ram looks better, has a nicer interior, is a great cruiser. I just question my sanity buying that transmission again. Some people have said the 68RFE in the new truck has some improvements...?
-2020 GMC/Chevy has the Allison, and i have about 450K miles split between the first 3 with no problems, interior has gotten pretty blah.

As soon as the transmission issues are resolved with this recall we're going to decide between the two. Any input about reliability of this generation Ram would be appreciated.
 

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I'd go with whatever drivetrain serves you best.

The exterior of a truck is like a bad haircut; other people have to look at it more than you do.
 

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I'd go with whatever drivetrain serves you best.

The exterior of a truck is like a bad haircut; other people have to look at it more than you do.
Thanks for the response. Sound logic is usually right to the point. Until recently my trucks have been daily drivers with some boat towing and other work mixed in. I have a fun car I'm driving daily now so the next truck will be hauling/towing with the long trip in there. That's why I'm considering the CTD again. We enjoyed it a lot more than the GMC on the long drives but it drove me nuts on I-5 in traffic.

My truck won't be tuned and I won't be beating on it. Still pretty much on the fence. I'd like to buy the Ram if that tranny has proven reliable.
 

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The GMC exterior is not bad to look at. Definitely better then the Chevy. You like and have had positive experiences with the DMax/Allison’s. I’d choose that.
 

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For what it's worth, I work at a GM dealership(Chevy & GMC) and my good friend works at a sister Ford store and both of us have RAM 2500 CTDs. His is an 18' & mine a 19' year model. I love the new 2020 GMC HD Dmax and test drove one. I really liked it and the camera system makes the Ram camera system look like child's play. The larger newer cab on the GM truck is very nice and spacious as well. The power and smoothness are above the Ram, but the $78-82k msrp on the High Country/Denali/AT4 vs the Laramie was an easy choice for me. Even with a GM employee discount after taxes etc, I was still nearly $10k less on the Ram considering that GM still has zero rebates or did at that time on the new 2020s. I really wish that the Ram had a few things such as the newer larger cab, better 360 camera set up and the built in TTPMS for the trailer as well as lane keep and trailer blind spot detection on the 19's. The interior itself is very bland and uninviting on the GM trucks whereas the Ram screams luxury. The 12" screen and the sound system blows the GM Bose system away. The cool GMC Multi Pro tailgate is trick and really can work as a step and make it a bit easier to load the bed which is cool. I may eventually trade the wife's GMC 1500 in for a new style GMC HD once the new wears off and they start rebating them in another year or so as the bugs are worked out. I can say the my 19' 68RFE is definitely smoother then my previous 14' CTD 2500, but still not as silky smooth as the GM 10 speed. I also agree that the 10 speed possibly could cost fuel mileage as we traded in a GM 8 speed truck for one with a 10 speed and we lost 3 mpg average. I for one like the Aisin as my Dad has an 07' 3500 CTD and it shifts almost Allison like and I have never understood why it couldn't at least be an option on the 2500 CTD trucks.
 

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The GMC exterior is not bad to look at. Definitely better then the Chevy. You like and have had positive experiences with the DMax/Allison’s. I’d choose that.

I think the opposite. The GMC would be better if they made the wheel wells round and did not put the stupid side marker lights in them.:frown2:
 

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The GMC exterior is not bad to look at. Definitely better then the Chevy. You like and have had positive experiences with the DMax/Allison’s. I’d choose that.

I think the opposite. The GMC would be better if they made the wheel wells round and did not put the stupid side marker lights in them.<img src="http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/CumminsForum_2016/smilies/tango_face_sad.png" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" class="inlineimg" />
I blacked out my marker lights for less than $125 bucks. Non issue now. I agree the orange stock markers are not very attractive though.
 

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I've been test driving 2500 trucks, and due to payload considerations from a possible 5th wheel will now start test driving 3500 trucks. Most of my driving will be unloaded, so unloaded ride quality is a major consideration for me. So far, its hard to beat the ride of GM HD trucks. I drove a 2020 2500 HD last week, and it was very close to my existing half ton (RAM EcoDiesel with air suspension). GM was able to increase all their HD payloads and keep a soft ride. I want to do some back to back drives at a local RAM / GM dealer with 3500's to see how they compare.
 

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I've been test driving 2500 trucks, and due to payload considerations from a possible 5th wheel will now start test driving 3500 trucks. Most of my driving will be unloaded, so unloaded ride quality is a major consideration for me. So far, its hard to beat the ride of GM HD trucks. I drove a 2020 2500 HD last week, and it was very close to my existing half ton (RAM EcoDiesel with air suspension). GM was able to increase all their HD payloads and keep a soft ride. I want to do some back to back drives at a local RAM / GM dealer with 3500's to see how they compare.
I just did back to back drives with a 3500 Mega Cab 4x4 Ultimate without the Air suspension and an F350 4x4 King Ranch. Apples to apples basically on trim and price range. I think you'll find that the Dodge ride will be a little harsher and the steering needs a little more effort. Something about the Dodge I like more tho. Not sure what exactly. I need to do it a again a couple more times before I purchase.
 

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I test drove a Ford F250, went across the street and tried both a RAM 2500 and a 3500. I thought the RAM 2500 was definitely smoother than the F250. The RAM 3500 was better than the F250 driving down the highway but definitely the same roughness over the big bridge transitions. I've always been a Ford guy but I ended up with the RAM 3500 Limited Mega cab, 6' 4" bed. All the trucks I test drove were short beds. The RAM 3500 Limited interior is much better than the Ford's. I got the Kentucky Derby edition, very nice interior touches.

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I test drove a Ford F250, went across the street and tried both a RAM 2500 and a 3500. I thought the RAM 2500 was definitely smoother than the F250. The RAM 3500 was better than the F250 driving down the highway but definitely the same roughness over the big bridge transitions. I've always been a Ford guy but I ended up with the RAM 3500 Limited Mega cab, 6' 4" bed. All the trucks I test drove were short beds. The RAM 3500 Limited interior is much better than the Ford's. I got the Kentucky Derby edition, very nice interior touches.
Basically what I did as well. The two dealerships were less than a mile apart. The F350 Crew Cab Dually King Ranch 4x4 FX4 with 8 ft box rode and steered better than the Dodge 3500 Mega Cab Dually 4x4 HO 6.7 Ultimate in my case as I said. I don't even think it was close. Heck, evfen the B&O radio was way better than the HK. I fiddled with everything. The RAM just had a more rugged truck feel with its road manners and shifting with the Aisin. I did not test drive an F250 Crew Cab short box. I think I know a little bit about handling and feel too. I've been to Ford Performance Racing School and track the R in my signature once in awhile. Both those cars are still in my garage. I've had many different sports cars. The R is in a different reality plane on a smooth road. I could really care less about the Z51. I can't get rid of it. It's "hers".
 

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I test drove a Ford F250, went across the street and tried both a RAM 2500 and a 3500. I thought the RAM 2500 was definitely smoother than the F250. The RAM 3500 was better than the F250 driving down the highway but definitely the same roughness over the big bridge transitions. I've always been a Ford guy but I ended up with the RAM 3500 Limited Mega cab, 6' 4" bed. All the trucks I test drove were short beds. The RAM 3500 Limited interior is much better than the Ford's. I got the Kentucky Derby edition, very nice interior touches.

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Basically what I did as well. The two dealerships were less than a mile apart. The F350 Crew Cab King Ranch 4x4 FX4 with 8 ft box rode and steered better than the 3500 Mega 4x4 HO 6.7 Ultimate in my case as I said. I don't even think it was close. Heck, evfen the B&O radio was way better than the HK. I fiddled with everything. The RAM just had a more rugged truck feel with its road manners and shifting with the Aisin. I did not test drive an F250 Crew Cab short box...
Thanks both for the comments. This is good information. Curious - did either of you test drive any GM trucks?
 

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My best advice is to test drive all of the trucks you’re considering.

If you’re handy, recognize how easy the Cummins is to work on. If you’re not this shouldn’t be a consideration.

Buy the truck you enjoy driving most. This is the most honest advice you’ll find on any forum.
 

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My best advice is to test drive all of the trucks you’re considering.

If you’re handy, recognize how easy the Cummins is to work on. If you’re not this shouldn’t be a consideration.

Buy the truck you enjoy driving most. This is the most honest advice you’ll find on any forum.

Ford, GM and Ram are pretty much running neck to neck with power and performance these days. It comes down to what you want to drive and how much you want to spend.

I am not a GM fan at all. I don't like how they use wax coated frames and I had nothing but issues with the two GM's I owned. Now, those were older GM's and I'm sure they have come along way, but that's my preference. Ford and GM both have issues if you want to work on your ride. The Ford 6.7 is a good engine and you will find a lot of guys towing with them. One downside about Ford is the price. You can get the same set up in a RAM for close to 10k cheaper. I also hate the way the Fords look inside and out.

Ram will be your better deal for the money. You have room to do your own work on the Cummins. The interior IMO is much better. Look at the Laramie and Longhorn package. The only thing I don't like about the Ram is the mirrors. In tow mode they are fine, but folded down they kinda suck. That's why you will see a lot of Ram guys with them folded up not towing. I have owned three RAM CTD and a 1500 with the HEMI. All were great trucks and never let me down.

What sold me on Ram was my first CTD. It was an 06 2500 QC with the 5.9. I ran that thing all over Alaska both towing and as a DD. I pulled from AK to TN and to Maine. Put well over 180k on her. Never had any issues with the Alaska cold. Other then minor stupid stuff that broke I never had any major issues. Truck was solid.

Bottom line is go look and test them all out and find what meets your needs and pocket book.
 

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...If you’re handy, recognize how easy the Cummins is to work on. If you’re not this shouldn’t be a consideration...
the Cummins is a pain in the to work on (at least basic maintenance)
i have never had an issue with the oil filter and fuel filters on a truck like i have on this one. even my previous cummins were much easier.

the GM and Ford are much easier to do oil and fuel filter changes
other than that, i have no idea


i have had all three makes over the last 10 years:

2011 Ram 2500 CTD
2013 Ram 3500 CTD/Aisin
2015 GMC 2500 DMAX
2017 Ford F350 6.7
2018 Ram 3500 CTD/Aisin

my 2011 ram was perfect. my 2013 had the track bar bracket recall, other than that it was perfect
my GMC interior rattled like crazy. every time it was cold, and i used remote start, it was throw a def code and threaten limp mode
my 2017 Ford was a pos. it had more issues and trips to the dealer than all of them combined.
i am back to the Ram, and so far, so good.
I only wish I waited to get a '19 or '20
 
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