[nick060200]

This probably isnt the place but if someone can direct me that would be great.
i have a 2013 F-650 with a cummins. the DPF system is not right. i have had it at the dealer 4x this year and 4x last year, all during cold weather. never had a problem during the summer or any warm weather. The DPF system is the cause everytime.
The dealer is pissing me off cause they take it out of limp mode and a few weeks later i end of having the same problem. im doing everything right. using clean DEF and changing the filters and such.
the truck is under warranty, < than 20k miles, but having it at the dealer for 2-3days each time is killing me. im losing money big time if this truck is not on the road. i need advice/fix now because i'll be really screwed once this thing goes out of warranty.

i was thinking of an ECM re-flash from these guys:
EcmPerformance.com - Cummins Custom Programming and Tuning Services

but havent looked into it too much. i know it will void the warranty and im not even sure its legal to do and have my truck on the road.

if there is anyone that can give advice or help, it would be much appreciated.

 

[ljcamp]

With that many issues I would look to lemon law it before voiding the warranty on tuning.

 

[jeff-kc9ftp]

With that many issues I would look to lemon law it before voiding the warranty on tuning.

Same thought, I wouldn't want to screw with the warranty, just yet.

Is it going into limp mode for dpf/regen issues or DEF related problems? Are you idling the truck a bunch more when it's cold out vs. warmer temps?

I know an actual cummins shop can't look at the cummins/ram but, maybe they could with the cummins/ford? At the very least, I'd try to find a different dealership to take a look at it. Also, might try pursuing the problems with ford's version of customer care.

Jeff

 

[moparnut72]

Several years ago I bought a F750 with the Cummins. I had very mixed feelins about the truck. The engine was great, I specified the engine when ordered. However the unit was kind of cobbled together. It was just like someone had put the Cummins in at home to replace the 7.3 in their F250. I had numerous problems with the clutch hydraulics, Ford finally came out with a totally redesigned unit. I also had problems with the cruise control working properly to run the PTO at a speed above idle. The PTO ran a hydraulic pump to run a crane.

Another problem was with the dealer. They had no trouble supplying the truck but could service or do warranty work because they were not certified by the factory to handle large trucks.

Again the engine was the best part of the vehicle. The truck as a whole seemed to be half baked.
kk

 

[nick060200]

Same thought, I wouldn't want to screw with the warranty, just yet.

Is it going into limp mode for dpf/regen issues or DEF related problems? Are you idling the truck a bunch more when it's cold out vs. warmer temps?

I know an actual cummins shop can't look at the cummins/ram but, maybe they could with the cummins/ford? At the very least, I'd try to find a different dealership to take a look at it. Also, might try pursuing the problems with ford's version of customer care.

Jeff

its going into limp mode because DPF issues. it gets used the same no matter the weather. the cold weather is what brings on the issues. i have yet to have a problem in the summer. i delt with this all last winter and now its starting again.
i am going to try a different dealer.

at one point when the truck was at the dealer they told me they " opened the parameters on the ecm" im not sure exactly what that means but it didnt help cause here i am again.

i was hoping someone else has had a similar issue and could give a more direct approach to fixing it.

Im also going to investigate the lemon law. im guessing i need a lawyer. im beyond pissed about this. no one cares at the dealer, its not their effing money they are losing! but i remember buying the truck there and everyone was so helpful, uggh!

 

[harpe]

Sounds like your dealer has no clue what the problem or problems might be. Is there another dealer or a Cummins shop around your area that could possibly help you?

 

[FL Ram2500]

Probably cant lemon law it because it is a commercial vehicle. Had friend who ran into a similar issue with a F550 that all he used it for was towing a boat, but because he had it lettered up to match the boat they said it was for commercial purposes and no lemon law. He had an issue with the cooling system on it, kept blowing radiators if I remember right.

 

[brihvac]

Where specifically are you taking it that they can not fix it?

 

[13-3500]

Time to go to a Cummins shop and not ford. you could pay for it out of pocket and be money ahead then with it sitting at a dealer for free and not making money. I have a 04 f-650 with a 5.9 cummins and the ford dealer is the last place it would go to.

 

[Nick777]

Id call a lawyer. The gov wants to force emissions on us then the dealer cannot even fix the issue?

 

[rynosback]

With that many issues I would look to lemon law it before voiding the warranty on tuning.

You paid a lot of coin for the beast of a truck. Make them make it right or give you another one.

 

[13-3500]

there is a in-line heater on the DEF tank that can short out when it is activated and start throwing codes. My 13 did this but it did not go in limp. I am so glad my 04 does not have all this crap. Mine just needs more HP

 

[dundonrl]

Time to go to a Cummins shop and not ford. you could pay for it out of pocket and be money ahead then with it sitting at a dealer for free and not making money. I have a 04 f-650 with a 5.9 cummins and the ford dealer is the last place it would go to.

ditto.. Cummins shop..

 

[indianaeph]

This probably isnt the place but if someone can direct me that would be great.
i have a 2013 F-650 with a cummins. the DPF system is not right. i have had it at the dealer 4x this year and 4x last year, all during cold weather. never had a problem during the summer or any warm weather. The DPF system is the cause everytime.
The dealer is pissing me off cause they take it out of limp mode and a few weeks later i end of having the same problem. im doing everything right. using clean DEF and changing the filters and such.
the truck is under warranty, < than 20k miles, but having it at the dealer for 2-3days each time is killing me. im losing money big time if this truck is not on the road. i need advice/fix now because i'll be really screwed once this thing goes out of warranty.

i was thinking of an ECM re-flash from these guys:
EcmPerformance.com - Cummins Custom Programming and Tuning Services

but havent looked into it too much. i know it will void the warranty and im not even sure its legal to do and have my truck on the road.

if there is anyone that can give advice or help, it would be much appreciated.

How cold are the winters where you are? With cold weather it is is sometimes more difficult to reach the required temperatures in the exhaust to regenerate the DPF. This results in it failing to complete a regen. After a while you will have excessive back pressure and then go into limp home mode.

You may have a problem with your oxidation catalyst. Correct functioning of the Oxicat is required for proper passive and active regeneration. Did you get the list of fault codes form the dealer. or a scan tool?

 

[nick060200]

Where specifically are you taking it that they can not fix it?

bayshore ford DE

 

[nick060200]

How cold are the winters where you are? With cold weather it is is sometimes more difficult to reach the required temperatures in the exhaust to regenerate the DPF. This results in it failing to complete a regen. After a while you will have excessive back pressure and then go into limp home mode.

You may have a problem with your oxidation catalyst. Correct functioning of the Oxicat is required for proper passive and active regeneration. Did you get the list of fault codes form the dealer. or a scan tool?

im in SE PA, the winters are cold but not horrible. but this is happening in 40deg weather. i have read of DEF freezing or crystallizing @ 12deg. which it does get that cold but im having problems @ much warmer temps than 12deg.

im going to get a print out of the codes and see what they say. unfortunately for some reason a regular obd II scanner will not read this truck. it has another hook up for reading codes. im not sure what its called.

its at the dealer now. im getting it back this week. i'll know more specifics than.

 

[Too Tall]

In the mean time, just buy a cheap code reader/ reseter (less than $20) and reset it yourself.

 

[13-3500]

In the mean time, just buy a cheap code reader/ reseter (less than $20) and reset it yourself.

These trucks use a different plug in for the obd II reader. It takes a round Cummins specific plug/adaptor

 

[#40Fan]

I am willing to bet that if you had the exhaust downpipe wrapped in header tape that it would help with your issue. That will hold the heat in better and allow the DPF to do its thing.

 

[wild1]

Blame your damn government, not the dealer. It was forced upon all of us and everyone is having to deal with it right now. It won't matter what new truck you buy you will have issues with it. A lawyer can't do anything but take money and piss people off. Threaten your dealer with a lawyer and you will get less accomplished. These systems do now work well in the cold as there are designed in warmer climates. We are fighting them big time and most of the issues can be cured with programming from the manufacturer. Other issues you have to watch for is the expansion of def when it freezes. The tanks on our trucks are not built with much for expansion as the filler spot is near the top. We had a crap load of issues last year with tanks freezes and popping of def lines.