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Not sure if any of you really recall, but back in December 07 I had recently purchased this truck and had a valve break causeing a complete loss of the engine from head to oil pan including the turbo. This included the turbo.

It was replaced under warranty since a valve broke at the lazer weld seam and dropped into a cylinder.

Last Saturday I blew this new engine.... bad. Yes, it was my fault. No I did not take it to a dealer.

I am running mega timing and fuel without a turbo.... shame on me!

I am running Scary Larry (Triple Dog) with a Quadzilla X2 race module (Pressure only program), AFE stage 2, Straight piped 4" exhaust, CFM+ Intake horn, and Snow Perf Stage 2 Water Meth.

I was at a sled pull on Saturday and I was pulling low range 2nd gear at 2800 RPM with the EGT's at about 1335 on the Commander. When I was red flagged at the full pull (About 320 feet out) I lifted the throttle and the engine shut down and stalled IMMEDIATELY. I went to re-start it and the engine barely turned. It began to slowly crank, and finally started. It was spewing white/blue smoke.... My heart stopped beating as I looked into my mirror at the exhaust turn up... I hit the throttle to try to clean it out since it was smoking terrible and shaking hard..and the smoke went instantly to pure black bellowing soot. O.O!!! Now my heart actually stops!!!

I drop it into gear and head straight to my trailer and slam it on. I turn it off and notice oil dripping from the crank case breather tube under the engine. Not cool.

I go straight back to the shop and call Rick Chovan and Justin Sciulli over to assist in drinking my beer and pulling the head. After a few hours of beer and wrenching we have the head on the bench and we are all setting around with tears in our eyes... and beers in our hands... looking at a hole blown thru a valve in #2, and piston #3 and piston #4 melted bad and cylinders 3/4 destroyed and blue from heat.

So, out comes the not so mighty Cummins.... for a couple sleeves, a set of Ross pistons, a Twisted/Crane cam, ported head, 110 lb springs, titanium retainers and 7° locks. Also.... this time its gonna be with a Industrial manifold and Silver Bullet... and at least for a while the Boost Juice is gone and will be replaced with straight water. I think I'm going to throw the Bully Dog in the trash and go with the Smarty TNT 4K tune.

So, I just wanted to let you all know... that when you think about tuning to the hilt... you better thing about a TURBO!!! That stock HX35 does not have the ability to cool a balls-out tune on stock sticks... let alone a set of performance sticks with big tunes! Be wary.... take note of my repeated losses... and learn from my mistakes!

I always hear that you better be tough if your gonna be dumb. I guess I'm tough?

Larry
 

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WTF..... Hate to hear it, but you are taking it like a man.

I have seen the sort of destruction you mentioned from advanced timing and water meth.... what's your take on that?
 

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WOW...man that sucks :thud:
 

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live and learn right? if you didn't make mistakes how would you learn? well at least now you could throw a stick of dynomite in there and it'd still run with what you are going to do!
 

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Wow, that sucks. Hope everything works out :)
 

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Not sure if any of you really recall, but back in December 07 I had recently purchased this truck and had a valve break causeing a complete loss of the engine from head to oil pan including the turbo. This included the turbo.

It was replaced under warranty since a valve broke at the lazer weld seam and dropped into a cylinder.

Last Saturday I blew this new engine.... bad. Yes, it was my fault. No I did not take it to a dealer.

I am running mega timing and fuel without a turbo.... shame on me!

I am running Scary Larry (Triple Dog) with a Quadzilla X2 race module (Pressure only program), AFE stage 2, Straight piped 4" exhaust, CFM+ Intake horn, and Snow Perf Stage 2 Water Meth.

I was at a sled pull on Saturday and I was pulling low range 2nd gear at 2800 RPM with the EGT's at about 1335 on the Commander. When I was red flagged at the full pull (About 320 feet out) I lifted the throttle and the engine shut down and stalled IMMEDIATELY. I went to re-start it and the engine barely turned. It began to slowly crank, and finally started. It was spewing white/blue smoke.... My heart stopped beating as I looked into my mirror at the exhaust turn up... I hit the throttle to try to clean it out since it was smoking terrible and shaking hard..and the smoke went instantly to pure black bellowing soot. O.O!!! Now my heart actually stops!!!

I drop it into gear and head straight to my trailer and slam it on. I turn it off and notice oil dripping from the crank case breather tube under the engine. Not cool.

I go straight back to the shop and call Rick Chovan and Justin Sciulli over to assist in drinking my beer and pulling the head. After a few hours of beer and wrenching we have the head on the bench and we are all setting around with tears in our eyes... and beers in our hands... looking at a hole blown thru a valve in #2, and piston #3 and piston #4 melted bad and cylinders 3/4 destroyed and blue from heat.

So, out comes the not so mighty Cummins.... for a couple sleeves, a set of Ross pistons, a Twisted/Crane cam, ported head, 110 lb springs, titanium retainers and 7° locks. Also.... this time its gonna be with a Industrial manifold and Silver Bullet... and at least for a while the Boost Juice is gone and will be replaced with straight water. I think I'm going to throw the Bully Dog in the trash and go with the Smarty TNT 4K tune.

So, I just wanted to let you all know... that when you think about tuning to the hilt... you better thing about a TURBO!!! That stock HX35 does not have the ability to cool a balls-out tune on stock sticks... let alone a set of performance sticks with big tunes! Be wary.... take note of my repeated losses... and learn from my mistakes!

I always hear that you better be tough if your gonna be dumb. I guess I'm tough?

Larry
:thud::thud::thud: Dang!!!!!! Well you will never do that again. Thanks for the words of wisdom.:thumbsup
 

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not again larry i thought I had it bad but at least the trans held up this time
 

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I know it was said you gotta live to learn..but I find it cheaper to learn from others living. Sorry to hear that. Whats that engine upgrade gonna cost ya?
 

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Wow ... Sorry to hear about your loss dude.

But ... instead of going with straight water ... but not switch to the blue windsheild washer fluid, as it has lower ratio than boost juice (which is 50/50) ... Straight water can be dangerous as well.

I have my stage 3 snow kit on the way w/ a 7 gallon tank ... and plan to run blue
 

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sorry to hear, pm me for a donation to the beer fund, and only five hours away ya have web site? I'll contribute there also.....need to pick up PA sticker somewhere house burnt hard tring to get in the swing of things again too. TeenWolf @ Buck on 22nd
 

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I actually called and talke dto Matt Snow for about a half hour this evening. We discussed the theory that meth caused some of the issue, but he holds firm to the idea that the boost juice baught me time and extended the time before total failure. Shawn Hodges and a couple others suggested that meth may do the opposite of what Matt says, but Matt has played with meth A LOT and he says that he has tested and seen third party tests that have tried to prove or disprove the safety of water, meth, and water meth mixed and that you wont find any scientific documentation that shows that meth will cause pre-ignition or hotter cylinder temps. He also mentioned that there are companies running 100% meth as a fuel source in compression engines... not to be confused thinking that they are stock engines... they are tuned special for this application. But anyways, bottom line is that Matt feels that the Water/Meth I have been running is not the cause by any means, but rather what let me live to say I had 6K miles on the engine when it melted down.

Anyone out there have any reason I should NOT use the custom ROSS pistons? Anyone have a specific love for the Mahle pistons over the ROSS pistons?
 

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Well, I talked to a pal that has a complete 05 block loaded with OEm pistons/crank/rods. He says he pulled out a year ago to put a 12V in an 05 and this block has been in the corner ever since taking up space. For $1700 I can get it ans slam a new valve in my head be running.... or I can make a project out of my block and do the pistons ($250 each) and cam for about $500, and sleeves for about $200 per hole.... or if I can bore it .040 over and get clear of the block damage I can skip the sleeves and just bore all 6 holes 40 over and get the pistons all in 40 over to match. Its not too crazy expensive at that point, but there is a lot more that can be done. It will not be an Industrial Injection race engine... but it will be a poor mans (I'm a poor man!) race engine that the poor man put together himself!

I'm not scared... I have been putting together big block stroker engines for years..... but I never messed with a cummins. An engines and engine... for the most part. So I'll tear it down, cut it up, and slam it together and see what I get. I have impressed myself in the past. My last 521ci Ford made 970HP on a single Dominator with gasoline and a cast alluminum intake. Not bad. I spun that bad boy to 8,800 RPM until I pushed 2 rods out the side of her. Boy did she sing! That engine made chills run down my back when was at full song going down the sled pull track.
 

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II builds motors now, and Diesel pro in WA buildss a hell of a motor as well. II built mine
 

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where in washington is diesel pro? sory for the jack?
 

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Yea, Shane and Justin were telling how much I need the Industrial Injection engine... I just can't afford it with a wife, 3 children, 2 diesel trucks, a store, 3 ATV's, a wife, 3 children, a wife, 3 children, a wife... did I mention the wife and 3 children? Them little buggers want to eat every day at least one time! And they want clothes, and they want new bikes, and gas in the ATV's, and dog food for old Rex.... and it never ends! I have to pinch pennies and hide money to allow me to work on my truck. My wife totally does not get this.... she thinks I should drive a civic and just sale diesel parts. I tell here that to get respect, I got to be out there busting up trucks right beside the folks that call me all day. She will never understand!

The Industrial Engine is $14,000. Its not a bad deal, because its one bad SOB of an engine..... but in my current station in life, it is 3 times more than I can swing. Industrial has 30 Cummins engines in house right now being built. They will be publically announcing this soon. Oops.. did we let the cat out of the rumour bag early? Them there are hand built, purpose built, top end quality top-to-bottom hard core street/race engines. I just dont have the bling-bling to swing on a thing like that. Talk to me in a couple years, maybe I'll be sporting a cool Industrial Injection race engine!

Larry
 

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i like it sounds familiar, ive just spent two weeks on a scavenger hunt to replace everything i own......including home.....4 children wife and all that comes with it i tell her only 15,000 grand and i'll be O.K. she says ha ha!!! I cant even find time to put on twins/twin cp3's and billet trans that i allready own sittin in garage too ... luckly she knows ive got a problem and decides who gets smoke when tailgated in traffic.:woot:
 
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