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WDH with auto leveling

I have a few general questions about using a weight distribution hitch with the auto leveling function. I really only have been towing a utility trailer with a UTV on it so I don't have much experience towing a toy hauler. I have a 2014 2500 CC LB

I'm buying the following toy hauler
5480 Dry weight
7500 GVWR
Hitch Weight:620

Based on the truck I have and these ratings, it seems like I should have no problems towing it.

As far as setting it up with the auto leveling option, how would I do that with a WDH? When you use a WDH , wont it change change the angle of the truck and trailer? Wont my truck just auto correct whatever it moved and put it back to the ALT trailer height and cause stress on the WDH?

Not sure if i'm thinking about this correctly.

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I don't think you need a wdh on a 2500 with that trailer, no more than it weighs. I would use a sway bar though.

When went from a silverado 1500 to a silverado 2500 hd I moved my wdh and had very little tension on the bars. The 35 ft windjammer travel trailer I was pulling was heavier than what you have.

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I don't think you need a wdh on a 2500 with that trailer, no more than it weighs. I would use a sway bar though.

When went from a silverado 1500 to a silverado 2500 hd I moved my wdh and had very little tension on the bars. The 35 ft windjammer travel trailer I was pulling was heavier than what you have.
Ok, I'll look into getting the sway bar.

When the truck is in ALT trailer height and i pull into camp, can I just leave it like that for a week or is it better to put it back to normal height?

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Tow it before you waste your money on a sway bar. It takes a lot more friction than any of the gimmick hitches or sway bars can provide to keep a 7500 pound trailer from swaying. If you do encounter swaying then the trailer isn't loaded correctly, something that happens with toy haulers and u-haul trailers a lot. At the very least you need 10% of the trailer weight on the hitch. That means that if you load the trailer to it's max rating there will be 750 or more pounds of hitch weight. Is your receiver rated for 750 pounds without a WD hitch?

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Tow it before you waste your money on a sway bar. It takes a lot more friction than any of the gimmick hitches or sway bars can provide to keep a 7500 pound trailer from swaying. If you do encounter swaying then the trailer isn't loaded correctly, something that happens with toy haulers and u-haul trailers a lot. At the very least you need 10% of the trailer weight on the hitch. That means that if you load the trailer to it's max rating there will be 750 or more pounds of hitch weight. Is your receiver rated for 750 pounds without a WD hitch?
I have a class V hitch. I believe that puts me at 1200 lbs hitch weight.

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I have a class V hitch. I believe that puts me at 1200 lbs hitch weight.
Class V hitch has no meaning because there is not an industry standard. Every manufacturer has a different load rating for their receivers and label the class whatever they please.

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I have a class V hitch. I believe that puts me at 1200 lbs hitch weight.
Is it after market?

My 2019 Ram, with a tow package, has what they call a class IV receiver. 2inch opening, 12,000 trailer weight, 1200 pounds hitch weight with a WD hitch . Without a WD it is 5000 trailer, 500 hitch weight.

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Mine 2018 uses a sleeve that reduces it to 2". Class V, I think.


No experience with air suspension on 2500s, but lots of it on a 1500. On my first 1500 I setup the WDH with the air suspension disabled: Tire Jack mode, hooked up the trailer (cringed at how far it sagged), set the bars, then all set. This was per the manual, not sure if it applies to 2500s. On my second one, I just raised the rear with the tongue jack 2", then set the bars where I could barely get them on, and was on my way.

It's tricky with the air suspension, because it's purpose is to level but so is the WDH's. Difference is, the WDH distributes some weight to the front axle. So if setup properly, you'll have a little less air in the rear and less weight behind the rear axle, which will make for a smoother tow. The air suspension never "pushes down".

According to the manual, you need a WDH. According to the truck, you probably don't. Tongue weight is key even with one. (I was a slow learner with this). Not saying you can't tow without it (I cheated a few times out of convenience even in the 1/2 ton), but a WDH / Sway Control can only make things better.

Regardless, you should test-tow in a safe area without it just to get a feel. It should feel fine if your tongue weight is right. Then learn how to set up your WDH, don't trust someone else to do it. Especially not some kid at the dealer.

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I have a class V hitch. I believe that puts me at 1200 lbs hitch weight.
Is it after market?

My 2019 Ram, with a tow package, has what they call a class IV receiver. 2inch opening, 12,000 trailer weight, 1200 pounds hitch weight with a WD hitch . Without a WD it is 5000 trailer, 500 hitch weight.

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Don't all of 2500/3500 come with a 2.5" ?
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I've never tried setting up a WDH on a vehicle with full air suspension, but I can't see how it would be any different.
My guess is that once you're done, following the correct procedure, you'll just have a bit less air pressure in the air springs, just like the coils would have less weight on them.

After all, your 2500 will think that there's only a little load on the rear, and the suspension will act accordingly.
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