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04-18-2019 12:12 PM
Loki223 @KATOOM my thing about brighter lights, comes down to how well the light is being controlled in the housing. at this point in time, there should be no arguments that an HID light, is brighter then a halogen light. I think that is something everyone can agree on. But an HID light in a reflector housing, while it does produce more light for the driver to use, and it is brighter, releases the light in an uncontrolled fashion creating a dangerous situation in terms of light output. a lot of this actually comes down to how the light io produced int he bulb, and where the light source is in the bulb. Brighter light is only better light, when the light remains controlled by the housing it is encased in. Different bulbs have their light source located in different spots, so swapping bulbs to a different type of bulb then what the housing is designed for moves the light source, thereby changing how the light reacts in the reflectors, changing the beam pattern and potentially creating a hazardous road condition and blinding light. The fog beams job is to increase visibility in foggy conditions, by providing a light source low to the ground that can cut through the fog. a brighter light does this job very poorly. If you have every turned on your high beams in the fog, you know what i am talking about. Fog light, low beams, and high beams are all designed differently, to get different jobs done. Brighter is not always better because sometimes the job calls for something different. Brighter is also not always better because either the light source is improperly placed in a housing, or the light source produces more light then the housing can handle, and ends up scattering the light. While i agree with you, from the drivers seat, i prefer a brighter beam. I also don't want my beam to be hazardous to anyone else on the road. I want my beams to do their job, properly, and give me the best lighting they can, without harming anyone else. And i think that is the goal most of us would prefer, as we have all seen those people that have no idea what they are doing, and throw HID lights in a reflector housing, and blind everyone going down the road. I don't want to be that person, and i'm relatively certain you don't want to be that person either.
04-18-2019 12:26 AM
GRUNT 11B High beams are aimed in differently then low beams. High beams put light farther down the road where the low beams do not illuminate. More light can give you better visibility, but it doesn't in cases. Thinking your fog lights give you better visibility (when it's not foggy) is the same thing as the PNP people thinking they have great lights. All it is, is a brighter foreground. A brighter foreground takes away from what your headlights light up.
04-17-2019 11:31 PM
KATOOM I certainly agree that cheap bulbs can make for poor light output. And also cheap bulbs not designed for a specific reflector will also make for poor lighting. Knowing which bulbs those are can be a gamble if you cant find the same bulb in a higher wattage, or hope that someone else has tried them.
But...that said, there is no way anyone is going to convince me that "BRIGHTER" light is ever going to equal less light output. If that was the case then please disable your highbeams, because a lot of vehicles dont just switch the HI/LO bulb element but rather turn on multiple elements simultaneously to offer maximum output. More light equals better visibility. Crappy beam pattern can equal crappy lighting no matter how bright it is.
04-17-2019 12:24 PM
Loki223 Just because a light is bright, does not mean it is good. Running overpowered lights in housings not designed for them, or running poorly designed LED/HID lights in non projector housings create more issues then they fix. Yes, you can make things brighter then the sun, but that does not truly help you, it defeats the JOB of fog lights, which is not to make things bright, and it creates a hazard on the road. If you are going to upgrade your lights, upgrade them responsibly. I personally enjoy my Morimoto LED Projector Fog lights. they replace the factory housings, and while they might not be a cheap option, they do their JOB. They create a light source that sees well in fog, without creating a hazard on the road, or creating Archimede's mirror. Plus, they are aesthetically pleasing.

04-17-2019 12:11 PM
Forest Cat I'll have to dig through my paperwork to see which LEDs I used in my stock fog lights. They are quite bright.
04-17-2019 01:21 AM
GRUNT 11B These are in my 3rd gen but i plan on trying to find a way to mount them on my 2nd gen.
04-17-2019 01:18 AM
GRUNT 11B
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Dont bother... His response will be to NOT run the fog lights with the headlights. His opinion is it lessens the lighting. I dont agree but only wanted his relay harness not his opinion on whether more lights did or did not equal more light.
In a way running fog lights does lessen the light. They put out more foreground which takes away from being able to as far and wide. It's like trying to look in a window on a bright sunny day. You need to get up to the window and block the sun from your face to better through the window. Or walking in the dark using the flash light on your phone to see. It's easier to see when the phone screen is not illuminated. Same concept as driving with fog lights on.
04-15-2019 08:10 PM
KATOOM Has anyone tried any LED 886 or 896 bulbs in their fog lights?
04-15-2019 02:31 PM
Norton Iím using Phillips 886 bulbs, they are about 30% brighter than the stock 896 bulbs. Both the 886 & 896 bulbs have the same PGJ13 base connection design and can be plugged onto the stock connector. (Sylvania is the same)

886 bulb
Color Temperature (K): 3100
Beam Wattage: 50
Lumens: 1257

896 bulb
Color Temperature (K): 3100
Beam Wattage: 38
Lumens: 942

Iíve had no issues with extra heat from the bulb damaging the lens, but I only turn them on when I need them, driving down county roads at night, fog, etc.
04-12-2019 07:25 PM
nuljas23 I definitely don’t agree with his thoughts on lighting, you don’t have to to get his parts tho
04-12-2019 07:01 PM
KATOOM
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Daniel stern lighting, the guy I got both my sport headlight relay harnesses from claims to have a good upgrade to the factory fogs that only require minimal modification to fit. Maybe inquire to him about it
Dont bother... His response will be to NOT run the fog lights with the headlights. His opinion is it lessens the lighting. I dont agree but only wanted his relay harness not his opinion on whether more lights did or did not equal more light.
04-12-2019 06:53 PM
Syco67 I am running a silverstar 881 bulb right now. They are pretty much just white.
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