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post #13 of 102 (permalink) Old 09-20-2019, 12:43 PM
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Figuring an average speed of 60mph thats 720 miles. If we use an average range of 400 miles per charge that gets them to your place with only 1 stop! Make the range 200 miles per charge and its 3 stops. Not that bad, really. What kills it is the recharging time. At 2 hours per recharge (I'm guessing, I really don't know how long it takes), well, you can do the math.


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One of these days the proponents of electric cars will have to realize that not everybody lives in a city. And that even those who do leave it on occasion.

It would be a massive undertaking to create the necessary infrastructure (not that it doesn't need an upgrade as it is) before electric cars would be even remotely feasible in large parts of the country.

And then there's that little problem with where the power is coming from in the first place.
I understand what you are saying and I agree the ev still has issues. One of the biggest r mileage and charge times. As for being in remote areas of the country, so long as you have access to gas stations in the near future you will have accesss to charge stations. Adding charge stations to any gas station is fairly easy and you will increasingly see them pop up.

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Iíve done a road trip in my father's Model X 75D. 1100 miles. 9-10 stops. Avg. 1hr 20min charging. This is from Naples to Houston, so I75 and I10. It takes forever, and the only thing that makes it worthwhile is autopilot.

Iíll take my truck and bed tank any day. 1300 mile range ftw.
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Looking back at Chrsyler/FCA's history of great business decisions and how they have played out......the internal combustion engine people are probably sleeping a little better these days knowing this.......

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internal combustion engines have not changed since their inception. Pistons go up and down valves open and close.
The have added computers, redesigned fuel systems but the basic engine is the same.

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Figuring an average speed of 60mph thats 720 miles. If we use an average range of 400 miles per charge that gets them to your place with only 1 stop! Make the range 200 miles per charge and its 3 stops. Not that bad, really. What kills it is the recharging time. At 2 hours per recharge (I'm guessing, I really don't know how long it takes), well, you can do the math.
I think you misunderstood my post. It's very close to 1,000 miles, and getting there in 12 hours requires much more than a 60 mph average.

With a 200 mile range that'd be five stops, or three with a 400 mile range. But the real issue is that there must be somewhere to perform that charge.
Just like with gas stations, there isn't always one when and where you need it.

Maybe if we start telling people that the brain is an app, they will start using it?

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One of these days the proponents of electric cars will have to realize that not everybody lives in a city. And that even those who do leave it on occasion.

It would be a massive undertaking to create the necessary infrastructure (not that it doesn't need an upgrade as it is) before electric cars would be even remotely feasible in large parts of the country.

And then there's that little problem with where the power is coming from in the first place.
No, they won't. But the market will. Our way of life simply can't exist without mobility.

I really, really believe we'll see a shift in the underlying structure of our vehicle mix. I believe urban areas will see more and more pure electrics, where it makes sense, and everyone else will shift to more and more efficient hybrids. The beauty of a hybrid is that it can work just like an EV for very short runs, with the engine only running when it's needed. This is what makes plug-in hybrids so attractive: as social engineering drives the cost of fuel up, those plug-in hybrid drivers will be strongly incentivized to pump joules instead of gallons. The politics will be complex. I wouldn't be surprised to see the cost of fuel move towards vastly different price points, in and near urban centers vs. out in the middle of the country on I-10 or 40.

Interesting times, in a Chinese curse kind of way.....

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internal combustion engines have not changed since their inception. Pistons go up and down valves open and close.
The have added computers, redesigned fuel systems but the basic engine is the same.
Ah, but tweaks to the basic mechanicals along with the computers -- and associated actuators and processes -- have increased specific power by two to three orders of magnitude, decreased undesirable emissions by four to five orders of magnitude, and can enhance efficiency by one or two orders of magnitude! The basic concept is the same, but every blessed detail, material, and feature is a product of technology a hundred and fifty years in the making!

Just imagine how long it might take to explain everything about a modern engine to Nikolaus Otto....
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Hybrids are the only real logical/practical answer. Be it as a hybrid, power multiplication , power assistance, or all three. Dodge/Ram/ FCA already announced a year or two ago that lots of positive changes are in the near future for not only efficiency but for power and performance as well. None of this is new news..

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My questions is how is the electrical grid going to support ever increasing electricity demand? Some Places have had rolling black/ brown outs for years because the electricity demand could not be supported. Another concern is the thought of electric prices once everyone is completely dependent on electricity. Also the control over everything once in place. People scream about "big oil" just wait until this is fully implemented. I'm sure government will still need more taxes after they tax the hell out of our electricity as well.
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Dodge/Ram/ FCA already announced a year or two ago that lots of positive changes are in the near future for not only efficiency but for power and performance as well.
Oh, I can't wait to trade in my Challenger on a new one, that sounds like...a Tesla?

Maybe if we start telling people that the brain is an app, they will start using it?

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Oh, I can't wait to trade in my Challenger on a new one, that sounds like...a Tesla?
Performance wise, the best ive understood, it will be a mix of hellcat/demon with a hybrid twist.. Angel is the hint theyve given out in some commercials.
There was someone disecting the hints on their youtube channel but havnt seen any in a while. The hints also include/speculate HD truck hints.

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