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Why does ever thread have to turn into a pissing match?
It's a Dodge/Ram forum. LOL.


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Iím pretty sure ford is still using the Bosch pump. 2011- current.
not for the 2020's which aren't available for order until nov.4th they went with the same route as the L5P dmaxes denso

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not for the 2020's which aren't available for order until nov.4th they went with the same route as the L5P dmaxes denso
Not super familiar with Ford, but I can only find one hit in google that discusses ford switching to a Denso pump (and thatís a forum post asking not saying), but I can find a couple saying that 2020 stays with Bosch. Here is one:

https://www.drivingline.com/articles...lb-ft-barrier/

Again. I donít claim to be a ford expert but at the very least it seems that itís still up in the air for general knowledge.

Either way. Tomato tomato. Who cares. Drive the truck, enjoy it and if something fails, well thatís what warranty is for.

I still doubt ram/Cummins would push a supremely inferior part if they didnít think it would work. It would cost more in the long run. We will see. I bought a 19 too. If they all start failing Iíll be in the same sinking ship as you.



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Not super familiar with Ford, but I can only find one hit in google that discusses ford switching to a Denso pump (and thatís a forum post asking not saying), but I can find a couple saying that 2020 stays with Bosch. Here is one:

https://www.drivingline.com/articles...lb-ft-barrier/

Again. I donít claim to be a ford expert but at the very least it seems that itís still up in the air for general knowledge.

Either way. Tomato tomato. Who cares. Drive the truck, enjoy it and if something fails, well thatís what warranty is for.

I still doubt ram/Cummins would push a supremely inferior part if they didnít think it would work. It would cost more in the long run. We will see. I bought a 19 too. If they all start failing Iíll be in the same sinking ship as you.

the problem comes in when all the failures start and the motor co starts denying the claims and tries to blame it on customer using bad fuel IE what ford did and hence the massive law suite. unfortunately all common sence has left big buisness and is run by bean counters oh look at how cheap we can get these pumps that will make profit x amount higher

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As a mechanical engineer, I am going to give RAM the benefit of the doubt that the CP4 went through further testing and evaluation and was revised.

You don't redesign a truck, with an HO motor (with different internals), an Aisin transmission, and pair it with a flawed fuel pump. Theres just no way they did that.
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I had a 2017 F 350 platinum before my 19 Ram and Loved it! Truck was flawless and I just really enjoyed it. I doubt Ford changed a bunch of things for the worse on the 19 itís just the forums tend to bring more of the negatives about the trucks than positives. My neighbor has a 19 powerstoke with 14,000 miles and hasnít had an issue.
I had the exact opposite experience with my 2017 F350.
I had numerous problems with it in the 18 months, 17K miles I had it. I dumped it because of all the problems.

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As a mechanical engineer, I am going to give RAM the benefit of the doubt that the CP4 went through further testing and evaluation and was revised.

You don't redesign a truck, with an HO motor (with different internals), an Aisin transmission, and pair it with a flawed fuel pump. Theres just no way they did that.
As a mechanical engineer, you should also know that the higher fuel psi pumps heavily rely on clean, dry diesel fuel. There is no formula for having a 30000+ psi pump survive contaminated fuel, even with the very best of surface coatings or filters.

Many people like to bash on manufacturers but don't like to admit they used fuel from the 'cheap' station down the road or never drained the water seperator on schedule.

I feel you give RAM waayy too much credit if you think their past performance is indicative of a positive, problem free future. Remember, this is the same company that usually has 10 open recalls per model year.

I firmly believe if the truck engine, any brand, is maintained well and according to schedule, it will provide a long reliable service life.

I get this is a RAM forum, but let's not loose a grip on reality here.
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As a mechanical engineer, I am going to give RAM the benefit of the doubt that the CP4 went through further testing and evaluation and was revised.

You don't redesign a truck, with an HO motor (with different internals), an Aisin transmission, and pair it with a flawed fuel pump. Theres just no way they did that.
see there you go using common sense lol
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As a mechanical engineer, I am going to give RAM the benefit of the doubt that the CP4 went through further testing and evaluation and was revised.

You don't redesign a truck, with an HO motor (with different internals), an Aisin transmission, and pair it with a flawed fuel pump. Theres just no way they did that.
Ram didn't design the engine or fuel system. Further, the bean counters are the ones who are making the decisions these days, not the engineers.
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It's a really stupid design. It wouldn't have taken much engineering to design a cab which rotates forward like a semi to allow for service and repair. Having to remove and lift the whole cab is dumb beyond words.
It would be exquisitely difficult to design a cab hinge and lock system -- and associated cab -- that would pass today's light vehicle safety standards, without adding several hundreds of pounds of reinforcing metal.

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It would be exquisitely difficult to design a cab hinge and lock system -- and associated cab -- that would pass today's light vehicle safety standards, without adding several hundreds of pounds of reinforcing metal.
I don't know why many insist pulling a cab is like performing heart surgery.

Many mechanics prefer pulling the cab because it allows greater access, and less propensity for forgotten fasteners. I feel that you actually have to work on cars for a living to understand this.

You think techs who work on car engines with something major wrong or to do a clutch change, do the job without dropping the subframe?

A few bolts and linkage and the assembly drops free.

And a problem that comes up that actually requires a cab to be removed is a lot rarer than they believe.
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