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EPA Has Suspected FCA Of Emissions Cheating Since 2015

<span lang="EN-US">The Environmental Protection Agency first began to suspect Fiat Chrysler of using an illegal emissions control device on its EcoDiesel V6 engine back in 2015, it has been revealed.
According to emails obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, EPA regulators first approached FCA about its alleged use of an emissions control device in November of 2015. One of the emails, sent by EPA director Byron Bunker in January of 2016, said how the agency was “very concerned about the unacceptably slow pace” of FCA to address the high nitrogen oxide levels produced by its 3.0-liter EcoDiesel V6 engine.</span>


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I am not shocked at this- using the VM 3.0 was a mistake in my opinion.

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Yep. I've got many Nissans with the 5.0 Cummins in my area. A guy flew past me with a sizable boat the other day. Clean truck.
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not really surprised. The one i drove was kinda a turd, and felt like it was strung out.
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The EcoDiesel is a great little engine, and fits it's intended role VERY well. They routinely pull 30mpg+

The 3.0 certainly wasn't a mistake, and they are torquey little SOB's around town; yes a bit anemic at higher speeds but that's to be expected some.

I don't buy this cheating BS, the pieces just don't add up. EPA has had a hardon for diesels for years now.

Let's also mention that they are being built again....albeit in small numbers right now.
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The EcoDiesel is a great little engine, and fits it's intended role VERY well. They routinely pull 30mpg+

The 3.0 certainly wasn't a mistake, and they are torquey little SOB's around town; yes a bit anemic at higher speeds but that's to be expected some.

I don't buy this cheating BS, the pieces just don't add up. EPA has had a hardon for diesels for years now.

Let's also mention that they are being built again....albeit in small numbers right now.
That they do, and since they won the one against VW which resulted in a huge paycheck its opened the door to winning against others. Once they found that FCA was getting the same Bosch sensors for there 3.0 as VW was for there TDIs .....

Like a crook that figures out a home security system. They are going to just keep going after places with the same system

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Bingo. It's a money-grab at this point. Thanks Quint
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The EcoDiesel is a great little engine, and fits it's intended role VERY well. They routinely pull 30mpg+

The 3.0 certainly wasn't a mistake, and they are torquey little SOB's around town; yes a bit anemic at higher speeds but that's to be expected some.

I don't buy this cheating BS, the pieces just don't add up. EPA has had a hardon for diesels for years now.

Let's also mention that they are being built again....albeit in small numbers right now.
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EPA and CARB are on a mission to kill all diesels.

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Yep. Couldn't have said it better. And it really tweaks me.....

I'm semi-waiting to see what the new 1500 looks like, and if it's available with the EcoD. I still want one as a daily grinder.
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EPA Has Suspected FCA Of Emissions Cheating Since 2015

Hmmm we are beginning to think about a new(er) vehicle for my wife and an ecodiesel grand Cherokee might be the the ticket.


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I don't think they're on a mission to kill diesels. They're on the same mission as every big business in the world: making money. The problem is they've forgotten that they're a government agency, not a business. They're acting like a personal injury law firm, trying to get huge paychecks out of some hippie tree-hugger getting butt-hurt.

They don't go after power companies. Why? Because power companies BUY exemptions. They don't say a word about the EU having lower emissions standards and higher fuel-quality standards than the US. They don't support initiatives to help developing countries curtail emissions which affect the global environment. But they do sue the pants off everyone of whom they don't approve.

When they sued Jesse James over his motorcycles not having emissions controls despite the engines being certified by S&S (the engine manufacturer) as clean enough to not require them, he tested one. He provided evidence in court showing his bikes polluted less than a Prius, mile for mile, plus saw an average of under 1000 road miles a year. EPA refused to drop it. He offered to recall every single unit and fit emissions controls. They declined. Why? Because they wanted to fine him into bankruptcy. And thanks to the circuit court in CA, they succeeded. Shop shut down, jobs lost, and he'll be having his taxes garnished til the completely exhorbitant fines are paid off. IIRC, the fine they levied was the retail cost of every bike he'd produced - same as what they did to VAG.

Difference is VAG is diversified enough to absorb it (though painfully). They started going after every boutique bike builder immediately after they won against James. Once they took down Big Dog, I think several others saw the writing on the wall and just folded. The precedent is set now for automotive OEMs... they're going to go after all of them until they find something else to feed their business model. Dollars to donuts GM isn't far behind til their little diesels are in the crosshairs of EPA. God help FoMoCo if they put out a diesel F150...

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