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I can't disagree at all Pozz, but I do believe 100% they want diesels dead and gone. The "green" movement, thus money, is in electric and hybrids now. And everyone knows it.

I will never own an electric, just off principle. I'll drive my gas guzzling small and big blocks until it's impossible, either because fuel is north of $20 a gallon, or it's near-impossible to get.

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Last time I was in Europe, it was almost $2 a liter. It just boggles my mind that our fuel taxes are twice what theirs are, our roads are crap by comparison, our own government is actively trying to destroy an industry which gainfully employs tens of thousands of people, and the bloated bureaucracy which is supposed to be monitoring and providing legislative suggestions is acting like an independent fourth branch of government trying to destroy the industry which justifies its existence. This is tantamount to the FDA trying to ban Rx drugs...

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It's gonna hit the low wage owner like most of these regulations.
The liberals always profess to look out for the little guy. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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My parents just returned from England where they plan to ban all diesel vehicles. They are now saying the emissions are much much worse than gasoline. I think its criminal.. They were pushing diesels in Europe for years and now they want them gone..
They've changed their tune to a complete ban now? Last couple years they've been pushing to get them barred from urban areas - downtown city proper - only. Then they'd decided to enact a "congestion tax" for any private roadgoing passenger vehicle to operate within city limits. Allegedly to make the city more bicycle and pedestrian friendly. Main push was smog in London. I guess Parlaiment doesn't realize London is a LOT bigger than it was when it's streets were primarily navigated by foot traffic and ox carts... Oddly, they were only talking about passenger cars, and saying noting about mass transit (signature double deckers and most taxis are diesel), municipal works, or construction vehicles. The latter of which are, like power production plants, significantly less stringently pollution controlled.

Hey,it'll get a lot of pensioners off the rolls so their socialized-everything will be more affordable when the geezers start having heart attacks from walking to the corner store, anyway, and make room for more taxpayers to move in. And it'll ease congestion when all thebillionaire oil sheiks' kids import their supercars to party for a month before Ramadan...
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Yeah, France I think wants diesels gone by 2022 or something, and seems other EU countries are falling in line.

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Sorry... but I know this will teeee you off but.. European taxes are high as h#ll. Ever hear of VAT tax,,,
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Diesel is only 2 bucks a liter.. a little math here: 3.785412 liters equal one gallon.
THAT IS $ 7.57 A GALLON.......... YOU STILL THINK EUROPE IS Cheaper ???? Last time I was in Oklahoma road diesel was $2.15 a gallon that is 0.66 cents a liter..... NOT $2.00 A LITER..!


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Dude, I know how to do math and convert from liters to gallons... my point was that we want, want, want, but aren't willing to pay for it. Want lower emissions, well you either need better quality fuel, grossly more efficient engines, or you have to choke the bejeesus out of engines. We (more appropriately the EPA and CARB) aren't failing but completely refusing to see the forest for the trees. We can't save the world from pollution by becoming a zero emissions automotive state any better than we can prevent wars by being World Police. Especially when we're ignoring the largest polluter: the power production plants which fuel the lefties' lauded EV messiahs. EVs don't pollute less; they just move the pollution from a tailpipe to a power plant. Difference is power companies are allowed to purchase pollution exemptions (bribe the government to avoid being inspected and fined). Europe taxes the crap out of everything but in return they get amazing roads, high quality fuel, and efficient vehicles. The vehicles are efficient because nobody can afford to pay for the mandated-quality fuel. Last time I was in Europe, mid-grade was 100 octane. Diesel cetane was posted 80 IIRC. When I left Bosnia one could regularly find 110-114 octane and all commercial diesel was 80. The jet-A we ran in the humvees was garbage by comparison. We got better mileage and power running those junk 6.5 TDs on rakia (moonshine) than we did on-base fuel. And with gasoline I'm aware higher octane equates to less BTUs, but its higher knock resistance means you can run higher cylinder pressure (either forced induction or static compression) which yields higher efficiency and a cleaner, more complete burn. So please, chillax a bit before trying to school me on VAT and European cost of living... I've been there quite a bit. Mostly passing thru or training courtesy of uncle sam's taxpayer funded sightseeing adventures incorporated. Try to take stuff in context rather than keyboard sniping individual points.

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It seems after all the EPA research that hanging point was Dodge used engine oil temp instead of coolant temp in computer program. Dodge used all the good converters (that VW didn't). To satisfy EPA, Dodge may program computer to use coolant temp in programing. Dodge has the engineers, but EPA has attorneys that are blind to change and are looking to kill innovation. Go figure.

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