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View Poll Results: 3rd gen brake upgrade opinion
I did the upgrade and was well worth it 46 73.02%
I did the upgrade and noticed no difference 3 4.76%
I did the upgrade on 01-02 truck 35 55.56%
I did the upgrade on 98.5-00 truck 11 17.46%
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I was told by a friend I wouldnt be able to do this with my 17x9 xd diesels? any one know if that is true or not? I would love to do this to mine


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I was told by a friend I wouldnt be able to do this with my 17x9 xd diesels? any one know if that is true or not? I would love to do this to mine
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Not sure why you couldn't do this unless the XD's have a super small radius to the cylindrical portion on the 17's with super tall lips to catch the 17" tires. Not bloody likely, I think. But, hey, I was wrong once before. I remember it distinctly, it happened on a Thursday. Happened once, could happen again.

Cheap, easy test: Go to you favorite auto parts store and buy a caliper for a 2003 Dodge 2500 (4x4 or 2x4 or 2x8, whatever, they are, AFAIK, all the same for the 03+), pop one of the front wheels off then the brake caliper (leave it all plumbed in), mount the new one (gently, you may have to take it back), tie the hooked-up old caliper out of the way with some wire or a coat hanger, and then try fitting the wheel back on and check for clearance (keep the tire off the ground and spin it)...is there drag or other indicators of contact? Just be sure your hooked-up/plumbed-in caliper is out of the way.

Do this on the front, to reiterate, because the rears have smaller rotors and if it clears the rear it doesn't guarantee it will clear on the front.

If there is contact or drag, take the caliper back (it's still new and hasn't been connected so it shouldn't be a problem). If not, buy the remaining pieces and tell your friend he doesn't know "come here" from "sic 'em".

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i may just do that thanks for the idea!!!

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I want to but I love how cheap my 16" 35's are compared to 17" but stoping is always nice...

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3rd Gen Brake Upgrade

If you think you notice a braking difference when truck is empty, put a 3,000 lb camper on your truck, then hook up to a 20' boat. That's when you REALLY notice the braking improvement. If you can get your hands on some 17"+ rims, I highly recommend this mod. We always look for more power but this may save my life one of these days, no joke.

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i may just do that thanks for the idea!!!
You are very welcome. Seems a good, reversible yet definitive test.

And cheap and easy. Just like I like my women.

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I want to but I love how cheap my 16" 35's are compared to 17" but stoping is always nice...
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I got lucky (ok, BLESSED) with my near misses. But the cost of rubber pales in comparison to the blood sucking lawyers tearing a hunk of flesh out of you and your insurance company. Besides, if you pour yourself into an accident because you have the same anemic brakes I had and hit a small car it could smear a letter or two on your OWL tires and then you're buyin' new rubber anyway.

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another tid bit
2000-2008 all have same caliper (dual piston).

My XD's fit my 3rd gen, so I cannot see why they would not clear on a second gen

not confirmed but the 00-08 caliper brackets may all be the same(size wise part numbers may be different). I tossed mine before checking to see if this was true

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another tid bit
2000-2008 all have same caliper (dual piston).

My XD's fit my 3rd gen, so I cannot see why they would not clear on a second gen

not confirmed but the 00-08 caliper brackets may all be the same(size wise part numbers may be different). I tossed mine before checking to see if this was true
I looked at my 02 caliper brackets compared to the 03+ and they were different. The 03+ had a larger distance from the axle mounting hole to the caliper mounting hole which accommodates the larger rotors. Otherwise the larger 03+ rotors would probably strike/rub the brackets found on my 02 from the factory.

You, dear readers, may test-fit to your heart's delight, but I'm pretty damn sure that the newer brackets are the key. You could source just the brackets and re-use your calipers but there is no success to be found with changing the calipers and not the brackets.

I do agree that the calipers seem to be the same from my 02 to the 03+.

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So I have a 99 and according to this I would need 00+ axles. Is there a way to upgrade the brakes on my 99 without having to go through the axle swaps? Would it make more sense to get 03+ axles in the first place / do they fit on a 99? My brakes stop on a damn football field.

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For the record, all you need to buy to swap the front over is the 3rd gen rotors and caliper mounts. the calipers are the same as well as hoses.

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