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Injection Pump Rebuild

Hi all, need a bit of advice. I took my P-Pump to a local Bosch shop (the only shop I could find locally that would even touch my pump) and they called me back today with an estimate of right around $3500 to do the pump and buy new injectors. They pop tested my injectors and basically said they would throw them away as they didn't atomize at all. This pump and injectors sat (installed) for a bout 10 years in a barn. This pricing seems way off to me. There are a TON of shops online who will sell me a remanned pump for around $1200 and I can get remanned injectors for $88 each. Even with tax and shipping, that works out to be approximately $2000 in total. The one downside is that I'm pretty sure my pump is torn down, at least to a point and I'm not sure the core will stand.

Am I crazy for thinking that this is highway robbery? I know that parts for these pumps aren't necessarily cheap. The camshaft for one is right around $650. What would y'all recommend as a course of action? I'm inclined to go pick up my parts and tell them to pound sand. Heck, even if I don't get a good core out of the pump (and have to pay a core charge), it's still cheaper than what they want. I have half a mind to try and find a manual somewhere and rebuild the dang thing myself.

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Base price for a standard rebuild on a P7100 is around $1200, plus whatever hard parts it might need. It can easily climb into the $3500 range if the pump is a complete dumpster fire (which is possible with how long it sat) but I would get another opinion. Bad plungers and a bad cam alone will add almost $1800 to the cost of the rebuild.

You're not going to find a rebuilder manual anywhere for that pump. Bosch is extremely tight-lipped and controlling with their tech information. Pump shops have lost their Bosch authorization status and been sued out of business after the shop has given out less-interesting information than that out to "unauthorized" people. That aside, a pump can't be rebuilt without calibration. You could home-make a stand to balance the cylinders but there's no accurate way to set the phasing. Anymore, less and less shops are okay with running an unknown-history pump on their stand. Too many blow-ups, injuries, and stand repair bills.

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Thanks for the info! Makes sense. I'm fairly good at the interwebs and I've never seen even a peep of a repair manual for these pumps. Which also makes sense. So, how on earth are any of these resellers (or rebuilders for that matter) staying in business selling a pump for $1200? The folks at Industrial Injection have a "stock" configuration pump for $1200 online, but contacting them, they are not carrying them in stock. You have to send your pump in and have them rebuild it. I guess that's how they're doing it. They don't actually sell them for that, they take in people's pumps and rebuild them. Back to the drawing board.
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Just tell them you have a spare set of injectors you can use for now and will get new ones later and then ask how much to rebuild the IP.

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The pump rebuild was around $3200 with tax and everything. I just got off the phone with another rebuilder after seeing their pumps on ebay for $795. My core is not able to be used as it's a different part number (230HP pump) and they want one for one cores (which I also get). This boils down to my expectations not being set correctly from the start. Live and learn. The folks I just spoke to clearly defined it for me. I was quoted $795 for the base rebuild with commonly replaced parts and if it needs uncommonly replaced parts, they charge for the parts it needs. Out of the gate, they're at least $600 cheaper than the Bosch shop, so I'll go with them.

Now, to decide on whether or not I want to get new injectors (more fuel) or stick with stock. I hadn't planned on adding fuel to my build, but if I have to get new anyway, I may. Then I'll have to decide on whether to put more air to it (turbo). Still more questions than answers in the build and I suspect there'll be more as I go along. I just wasn't really prepared for the sticker shock on this one.
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As an FYI, Rock Auto carries stock Bosch injectors for the 180 motors regularly. If you catch it right they have 215s also.

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Games if I could kiss you I would! I had no inkling that they'd even carry something like this.

Edit: I realized after the fact that you said "injectors" and I read it as "injection pump". In either case, they have them.
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You can also get injectors at Summitt Racing (at least a/o 2017). When I replaced mine in 2017, RockAuto only had 5 (even with shipping, it was worth getting new from them vs the local shop's rebuild price) and I was able to get the 6th from Summitt for not too much more.

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As an FYI, Rock Auto carries stock Bosch injectors for the 180 motors regularly. If you catch it right they have 215s also.
Cant find either.

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They don't always have them in stock. I happened on them (215s) once and ordered them, then put them on a shelf. Normally when I look they have 180s.

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I cannot find the injectors, but they do have p-pumps. Remanufactured, obviously, and I found a 215 pump for just over $1300 including the core. It's remanned by a company called "Diesel Select" and appears to be remanned in the USA. Is there any reason to not buy from a supplier like this vs. someone like industrial injection (or any of the many other vendors out there)? It appears to come with a 12 month warranty (the company website says 3 years, but RA only says 1) and I'll have my pump rebuilt at some point later this year in order to have a spare sitting on the shelf. Anyone have experience with products from Diesel Select?
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You don't need a spare injection pump. I've been storing one for several years, probably put 300k or so on the truck since I bought it. The one installed is the original, still working as designed. I can't vouch for any rebuilder other than Austin Injection.

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