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4th gen seats in a 1st gen. Complete.

My 25 year old bench seat was terrible and finding a grey bench seat that was in good condition seemed to be impossible so I bought a set of 2012 40/20/40 seats and decided that I would make them fit one way or another! He is how I did it. I started by obviously taking out my seats.

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Below is the picture of the stock 2012 seat. I took all four brackets off by drilling out the rivets.
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The brackets that were on the back will go on the front and the back rail will sit flush with the floor when it is in the truck. It will look like this. The right is the stock seats with the brackets and the left is how I wanted them.
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Since every inch matters in these cabs I took the cloth off the back rest and cut about an inch of foam out. This gave me just a little bit more leg room. Well worth the time and effort. underneath the seat they just snap together and the sides zip up. the center of the front is just Velcro so it looks good when you put it back together
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The brackets in the front of the chairs needed an inch spacer to make the seat fit right. I would recommend getting 1" square tubing, but I didn't have that luxury and opted for 1" wide steel that I welded in. For the center console I got some sort of hanger at the hardware store. I was looking for something strong and about 1.5" tall. I put both of those on the back and attached them to the bolts that were already there. The only thing that I haven't done yet and will do soon is add a 1.5" spacer in the front bracket. its just a little low. I didn't know that until I got it done. I'm not sure what corner that stock bracket in the front was previously, but put it in the front passenger corner like I have in the picture.
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The passenger side the hump gets in the way of the bracket a little and rests just a little bit higher. I added some washers to make it solid again so when I tightened it down it wouldn't twist the frame for the seat adjustment. I attached a closer picture of the drivers side bracket and the passengers with the washers. Please forgive my poor looking welds. It was a terrible welder and I'm a plastic engineer, we are practically enemies to begin with haha When you are bolting the seats in you want to start with your back rails all the way back. you can adjust the height of the seat by sliding them forward or backward. The cab floor takes a dip after the storage box so you can go up or down with them seat height that way. It takes some playing around but it works. Mark your spots and drill the holes. The back couple might need a washer or two for spacers, but its minimal. I am missing pictures of this part somehow...
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That's it though, very simple. I have attached some pictures of me in it and my wife loves to model.... I'm 6'2", 200lbs and fit very well. It really isn't that far off of the stock bench seat. About 1" further forward at the back of the seat rest. and dang close to the stock height. Steering wheel is in the middle setting where it has always been. Time to sew up that rip too. But couldn't have got it all done for $200 without it. Happy camper here. So dang comfortable.
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The seats do look closer to the steering wheel than they actually are. The sides of the seats go way out. They feel like they are constantly hugging me for putting them in a better truck.
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Good job bud, they do look good setting in there

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i have these same seats and tried about 17 different ways to make them comfortably fit. i did not try the foam removal, which was the biggest problem in my setup because they would not recline enough to be comfortable. glad i still have them in the garage, guess i'll hold onto them and try again with your tip/trick. thanks!
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Nice job, turned out nice. Your wife looks happy as well. Did you use the old seat belts or the new ones? I put 2nd gen front seats in my club cab and the 1st and 2nd gen belts do t play together. You need to use one or the other. Nice job on the foam clearancing idea, I'm going the other direction and turning my club into a crew to gain added space!

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Looks great. Good information.

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