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Hayden12 10-06-2019 04:30 PM

Thoughts on Iron horn kit?
 
2nd time getting my p2262 and other codes, so my turbo is going out 🙂 So I need some help here! Tuned by anarchy/5in tbe. Plan on staying stock fuel, but would like to go with a good turbo that has some nuts. I don’t tow everyday, just occasionally. I keep seeing this iron horn kit and was curious to what others think of it, especially for the price? And what size they went with and why considering there’s 364 up to 369. Not too big on 2nd gen swaps but I’m also not very informed on them, just know they’re a chunk more. I plan on buying arkund thanksgiving (hoping there’s some good Black Friday deals lol)

nick00less 10-06-2019 05:34 PM

Any 300 or 400 turbo will have plenty of power. 2nd gens are fun but pricey. If you’re on a budget I’d go with a 300 turbo like the one you listed. Good tuning goes a long way.

If it were me I’d go with that kit and a turbo from stainless.

Hayden12 10-06-2019 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nick00less (Post 29108759)
Any 300 or 400 turbo will have plenty of power. 2nd gens are fun but pricey. If you’re on a budget I’d go with a 300 turbo like the one you listed. Good tuning goes a long way.

If it were me I’d go with that kit and a turbo from stainless.

Yeah I’m 1500ish seems nicer then 3500ish, and yes a 5.9 sounds good but idk about that much more. From what I’ve seen, a 364.5 is the highest for stock fuel, but I’ve seen a few people say go with a 366 even though bd recommends bigger injectors for that? Really now I’d just like input on a 364.5 vs 366. Being in lower elevation (2800ft) I’ll probably go with a 1.0ar on either one, unless I hear otherwise!

Aaron37 10-06-2019 09:19 PM

When I ditch the stock vgt I'm going to go with a BD iron horn kit. Anarchy told me at my elevation (2500ft) and towing ~9000lbs about 35% of time with no plans of adding fuel, to go with the 366sxe. I'll be going with the 1.0 AR and am still debating on going with the 364.5sxe but in the off chance I add fuel I'll probably end up going with the 366 as apparently they don't spool much slower than the stock vgt on stock fuel.

Hayden12 10-07-2019 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron37 (Post 29108917)
When I ditch the stock vgt I'm going to go with a BD iron horn kit. Anarchy told me at my elevation (2500ft) and towing ~9000lbs about 35% of time with no plans of adding fuel, to go with the 366sxe. I'll be going with the 1.0 AR and am still debating on going with the 364.5sxe but in the off chance I add fuel I'll probably end up going with the 366 as apparently they don't spool much slower than the stock vgt on stock fuel.

I was planning on callIng them tomorrow but sounds as if you did most of the work for me lol I tow a little less than that, but in the future That’ll change. Does the 364.5 light pretty quick?

Aaron37 10-07-2019 12:47 AM

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From my research and with the correct tune the 364.5 spools the same as the stock vgt off the line but maybe lights just a bit slower rolling on the throttle at highway speeds but isn't much different. The 366 lights a bit slower than stock ~100-150rpm from what I've been told but packs a wicked punch once lit. The 369 needs more fuel than stock and the 363 spools a bit quicker than stock and is almost a waste on a 6.7 Cummins as they flow so much air unless you are at extreme altitude and aren't trying to run max fuel the stock pump and injectors can fuel. There's a few guys with stock fuel with the 364.5 that wish they went up to the 366. I haven't found anyone who regrets going with the 366 even on stock fuel. If you want go ahead and call though and see if they give you different answers. Make sure to report back on your findings or what you end up going with.

HeavyTwo 10-07-2019 01:06 AM

I went with Iron horn kit when my VGT went out.

I WAS looking at getting another VGT, performance type unit. Mainly cause I tow often and wanted exhaust brake ( EB for the remaining of this thread to save from typing exhaust brake, cause I really hate typing words, like Exhaust Brake. So to save time from typing Exhaust Brake Iíll shorten it to EB)

I discovered the iron horn kit. I like it because it uses factory intake system instead of the ď hot air ď intakes on 2nd gen conversations. I went with the 364.5 turbo. It pulls very hard, lots more force than factory. Low RPM OR slow speed driving is about the same as stock. But, on the highway, once the turbo spools and moves massive amounts of air, itíll put you in the seat. Obviously not a race truck, but Iíve taken out an early 2000s vett, Ran side by side with a 5.0 Mustang ( 130plus), and dead even with a 392 charger. Impressive for 8000# beast. But itís not for racing, my goal is Reliable, strong towing. And this truck will pull my ~#10,000 dump trailer with ease. Still feel it back there, but it itíll reach speed like nothing, pull up mountain passes with little stress.

Maybe all aftermarket kits 2nd or 3rd gen are like that.? Not sure, admittedly this is my first time. I like the iron horn kit because it looks near stock. Itíll take original emissions equipment if wanted.


I added the BD exhaust brake ( EB for short as I really hate typing Exhaust Brake ). It operates equal to the original as far as buttons and settings. It seems much stronger than the original VGT EB ( (EB stands for Exhaust Brake ). On dirt roads in 4 low, the EB ( Exhaust Brake) causes the rear tires to skid.

If I could make a change, I think I would have selected the 366 turbo. And gotten the 5Ē EB ( Exhaust Brake).

Iíd recommend getting a throttle booster too. Makes a huge drivability improvement when city driving.

Hayden12 10-07-2019 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by HeavyTwo (Post 29109103)
I went with Iron horn kit when my VGT went out.

I WAS looking at getting another VGT, performance type unit. Mainly cause I tow often and wanted exhaust brake ( EB for the remaining of this thread to save from typing exhaust brake, cause I really hate typing words, like Exhaust Brake. So to save time from typing Exhaust Brake I’ll shorten it to EB)

I discovered the iron horn kit. I like it because it uses factory intake system instead of the “ hot air “ intakes on 2nd gen conversations. I went with the 364.5 turbo. It pulls very hard, lots more force than factory. Low RPM OR slow speed driving is about the same as stock. But, on the highway, once the turbo spools and moves massive amounts of air, it’ll put you in the seat. Obviously not a race truck, but I’ve taken out an early 2000s vett, Ran side by side with a 5.0 Mustang ( 130plus), and dead even with a 392 charger. Impressive for 8000# beast. But it’s not for racing, my goal is Reliable, strong towing. And this truck will pull my ~#10,000 dump trailer with ease. Still feel it back there, but it it’ll reach speed like nothing, pull up mountain passes with little stress.

Maybe all aftermarket kits 2nd or 3rd gen are like that.? Not sure, admittedly this is my first time. I like the iron horn kit because it looks near stock. It’ll take original emissions equipment if wanted.


I added the BD exhaust brake ( EB for short as I really hate typing Exhaust Brake ). It operates equal to the original as far as buttons and settings. It seems much stronger than the original VGT EB ( (EB stands for Exhaust Brake ). On dirt roads in 4 low, the EB ( Exhaust Brake) causes the rear tires to skid.

If I could make a change, I think I would have selected the 366 turbo. And gotten the 5” EB ( Exhaust Brake).

I’d recommend getting a throttle booster too. Makes a huge drivability improvement when city driving.

A 392?? Man that makes me smile on what I’ll be getting myself into.. the EB worth it then? Because it is like $300 right? The factory eb hasn’t ever been that great for me so I was iffy. Also I’ve heard so many back and forth on throttle boosters. People say when you tune that does the throttle booster, therefore not needed?

HeavyTwo 10-07-2019 01:51 AM

The EB cost $1400 or something if I recall. If money no issue and you tow often you may want to look at pac Brake is supposed to be a better solution.

I bought a pedal commander a few years back. Best modification Iíve done, including the turbo swap. It totally changes the way the truck drives. Mainly in city type driving, it accelerates like a car. It really only improves city stop n go type driving. Just the pedal commander made truck drive like a light car. Itís how the truck should have driven from the factory.

Now that Iíve deleted n tuned, I can say the throttle booster alone feels like a tune n deleted truck when city driving. I removed the throttle booster after I tuned n deleted, and truck basically drove the same in city driving (stop n go stuff). I later reinstalled the booster, and the truck now drives like a beast when city driving.

I contacted my tuner to see if they could improve throttle response. They advised me to buy and use a throttle booster, even with a tune.


Honestly, when I first bought the booster, I was ready to return it with in a week. I was convinced there was no way a throttle booster would make a difference. I was figuring I could just press the throttle further or faster to get same results. But, the booster really works different. It NOT the same as pressing harder. Think of an older car where you have a kick down cable on the transmission. On those cars you can tighten that cable and get an improvement. The booster has that effect.

I highly recommend any throttle booster for Cummins trucks, stock, tuned, deleted and so on. Again, honestly best Single modification Iíve done to this truck, INCLUDING the iron horn kit. Like I said, stop n go driving is about the same with a deleted n tuned with turbo. If I only did stop n go driving and could have ď throttle booster ď OR ď tune n delete ď. Iíd pick the throttle booster. Obviously the iron horn kit is on a whole new level on open roads.

mtondat 10-07-2019 03:45 PM

I'm just joining into this thread as I too am looking at the iron horn kits. The shop I've been speaking to has recommended the 366/80 0.91 AR for my truck that is stock apart from deletes and tunes. This will be for a truck that doesn't tow super often, but when it does its 10k+ behind the truck. Stock fuel system and no real plans to go fro crazy power. Just aiming for a truck that's reliable and fun to run around town in

Hayden12 10-07-2019 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyTwo (Post 29109125)
The EB cost $1400 or something if I recall. If money no issue and you tow often you may want to look at pac Brake is supposed to be a better solution.

I bought a pedal commander a few years back. Best modification I’ve done, including the turbo swap. It totally changes the way the truck drives. Mainly in city type driving, it accelerates like a car. It really only improves city stop n go type driving. Just the pedal commander made truck drive like a light car. It’s how the truck should have driven from the factory.

Now that I’ve deleted n tuned, I can say the throttle booster alone feels like a tune n deleted truck when city driving. I removed the throttle booster after I tuned n deleted, and truck basically drove the same in city driving (stop n go stuff). I later reinstalled the booster, and the truck now drives like a beast when city driving.

I contacted my tuner to see if they could improve throttle response. They advised me to buy and use a throttle booster, even with a tune.


Honestly, when I first bought the booster, I was ready to return it with in a week. I was convinced there was no way a throttle booster would make a difference. I was figuring I could just press the throttle further or faster to get same results. But, the booster really works different. It NOT the same as pressing harder. Think of an older car where you have a kick down cable on the transmission. On those cars you can tighten that cable and get an improvement. The booster has that effect.

I highly recommend any throttle booster for Cummins trucks, stock, tuned, deleted and so on. Again, honestly best Single modification I’ve done to this truck, INCLUDING the iron horn kit. Like I said, stop n go driving is about the same with a deleted n tuned with turbo. If I only did stop n go driving and could have “ throttle booster “ OR “ tune n delete “. I’d pick the throttle booster. Obviously the iron horn kit is on a whole new level on open roads.

may have to look into that then.. i still need to get my gauges as i’ve been lagging on it (decided to go with autometer rather than a monitor because of the looks & accuracy) so after i get those i may have to look into this throttle booster. how long have you had your iron horn kit? did your mpg go up at all or did it drop a lot? i drive pretty good as i’m always watching my mpg but i do occasionally let her roar lol also does anyone know if i should bite the bullet now or maybe wait and see if black friday will have any good discounts on this kit? i just don’t know how much life the vgt has left

Hayden12 10-07-2019 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mtondat (Post 29109503)
I'm just joining into this thread as I too am looking at the iron horn kits. The shop I've been speaking to has recommended the 366/80 0.91 AR for my truck that is stock apart from deletes and tunes. This will be for a truck that doesn't tow super often, but when it does its 10k+ behind the truck. Stock fuel system and no real plans to go fro crazy power. Just aiming for a truck that's reliable and fun to run around town in

we’re in the same boat, nothing insane but still fun. why are you going .91 ?


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