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Upgrading HP & Torque

I mostly use my 4500 for personal use, and I'd like to get more HP out of my 6.7 with the Aisin trans.
I'd like to keep everything stock, but have it make the same power as the 3500. How does one go about it, updating the ecm?


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Seems to me if you update the ecm you are no longer "stock."
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Software and hardware is different in the chassis cab. You cannot flash a pickup tune.
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Good question, biofumes.

I bought a delete kit about 2-1/2 years ago but am hesitant to take that plunge, so it's still on the shelf.
Having regular pickup power would be great, I think.

Maybe if we start telling people that the brain is an app, they will start using it?

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Seems to me if you update the ecm you are no longer "stock." [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/images/smilies/doh.gif[/IMG]
It should have read, “ and keep Everything else stock”.

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Software and hardware is different in the chassis cab. You cannot flash a pickup tune.

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I deleted my 5500 4 years ago. It is a 2013. When I did the EFI live, they turned the power up to a pick up truck power and then gave me 4 higher HP settings on top of that just like the 3500's. Do the delete!!! You mileage will go way up and never use DEF again.

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Software and hardware is different in the chassis cab. You cannot flash a pickup tune.
Right, but what if you give the C&C a pickup "brain"?
Or are the EGR (and such) differences incompatible?

Maybe if we start telling people that the brain is an app, they will start using it?

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I don't remember the details, but the ECU, EGR and Turbo are different?
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HPP tuned my truck to have the same HP and TQ of the pick up truck version. I know there are differences, but they (somehow) managed to tune the motor to have same power. SO stock I'm at the 385 860 tq or whatever it was back in 14. then I have the switch if I want to turn the power up more.

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I don't remember the details, but the ECU, EGR and Turbo are different?
Well that makes a bit more complex than a plug-and-play ECU.

Maybe if we start telling people that the brain is an app, they will start using it?

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Software and hardware is different in the chassis cab. You cannot flash a pickup tune.
Bedlam is correct the SCR and DPF are slightly different than a pickup. I deleted a 2012 4500 by using the “Deleting on the Cheap” thread, it had 5 temp sensors, in the exhaust, where as the pickups had 4. By the way don’t try this on a 2013 or newer without the proper tune. I currently have a 2017 4500 C&C and 2018 3500 pickup and yes the hardware is still different to include the EGR.
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